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Translator Jumble

Cifi

Re: Translator Jumble

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This was a hard one. I tried, but I'm not really confident in my abilities. I'd better check out for the next few rounds.

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gmads
Mexico

Re: Translator Jumble

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Cifi wrote: Sun Oct 02, 2022 8:54 pm

This was a hard one. I tried, but I'm not really confident in my abilities. I'd better check out for the next few rounds.

I am sure you did more than fine! Anyway, there is nothing to worry about, this is just a fun challenge, not a PhD examination, so let's hope you keep on participating ;)

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Meli578588
Italy

Re: Translator Jumble

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Explorer
Portugal

Re: Translator Jumble

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gmads wrote: Mon Oct 03, 2022 3:18 am
Cifi wrote: Sun Oct 02, 2022 8:54 pm

This was a hard one. I tried, but I'm not really confident in my abilities. I'd better check out for the next few rounds.

I am sure you did more than fine! Anyway, there is nothing to worry about, this is just a fun challenge, not a PhD examination, so let's hope you keep on participating ;)

I believe such long sentences can drive away many future participants. It scared the wits out of me when I saw it for the first time. And it's not even Halloween yet! So... 🤣

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gmads
Mexico

Re: Translator Jumble

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Explorer wrote: Mon Oct 03, 2022 4:37 am
gmads wrote: Mon Oct 03, 2022 3:18 am
Cifi wrote: Sun Oct 02, 2022 8:54 pm

This was a hard one. I tried, but I'm not really confident in my abilities. I'd better check out for the next few rounds.

I am sure you did more than fine! Anyway, there is nothing to worry about, this is just a fun challenge, not a PhD examination, so let's hope you keep on participating ;)

I believe such long sentences can drive away many future participants. It scared the wits out of me when I saw it for the first time. And it's not even Halloween yet! So... 🤣

Yes, it was long, but not that complex. I thought it to be more about vocabulary than grammar. In all truth, I've seen example sentences from Duo way more difficult than the one I proposed. Anyway, we will have time to see what everyone found to be the scariest or most difficult part(s) of it ;)

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Stasia
Poland

Re: Translator Jumble

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Uups sorry everyone, I did not check the forum just for a couple of days and this happens??? :D I will be sending what I need to send now.

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Poland

Re: Translator Jumble

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Stasia wrote: Tue Oct 04, 2022 1:01 am

Uups sorry everyone, I did not check the forum just for a couple of days and this happens??? :D I will be sending what I need to send now.

Witam, a ja pomyślałam, że jesteś na kolejnej wyprawie archeologicznej i masz problemy z internetem, hehe :D

I have just sent my translation to an expert who will check my Russian. :)

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gmads
Mexico

Re: Translator Jumble

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Hi [mention]Vero-bis[/mention], [mention]MustafaOuz526752[/mention], [mention]Explorer[/mention], [mention]MoniqueMaRie[/mention], [mention]Meli578588[/mention], [mention]Stasia[/mention], [mention]Dana_Dany Danuta[/mention], [mention]Duome[/mention], [mention]Cifi[/mention], [mention]Lama.03[/mention], [mention]Alivated[/mention]

As far as I can tell, everyone seems to have finished, so:

  1. [mention]MustafaOuz526752[/mention] and [mention]Meli578588[/mention], please PM me your translations (into English).

  2. Please, everyone needs to write the sentence you received at the translator-jumble page so I can then copy them and paste them all together in here in one post. I already wrote your usename there so you just need to add your sentence.

This is going to get interesting! :D

Thanks everyone!

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gmads
Mexico

Re: Translator Jumble

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Whoever is changing the translator-jumple page into French... please stop doing it.

If you need a French version page, you may add a new page (e.g. https://board.net/p/translator-jumble-fr).

Thanks!

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Re: Translator Jumble

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I was so confused why there is so much French content. I tried to fix the names back. It seemed as if a French autocorrect walked all over them. 😂

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vero-bis
France

Re: Translator Jumble

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gmads wrote: Wed Oct 05, 2022 8:29 pm

Whoever is changing the translator-jumple page into French... please stop doing it.

If you need a French version page, you may add a new page (e.g. https://board.net/p/translator-jumble-fr).

Thanks!

Could I have done this without knowing it ???

I wonder because it has already happened that my tablette gives me a translation in French even if don't ask for it. No idea of how it works. Could it have translated your page ?
If so, I'm so sorry...

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gmads
Mexico

Re: Translator Jumble

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vero-bis wrote: Wed Oct 05, 2022 9:47 pm
gmads wrote: Wed Oct 05, 2022 8:29 pm

Whoever is changing the translator-jumple page into French... please stop doing it.

If you need a French version page, you may add a new page (e.g. https://board.net/p/translator-jumble-fr).

Thanks!

Could I have done this without knowing it ???

I wonder because it has already happened that my tablette gives me a translation in French even if don't ask for it. No idea of how it works. Could it have translated your page ?
If so, I'm so sorry...

I had found it quite surprising that someone had taken the time to translate everything by hand (I assumed that)... but given that there are always people with enough time in their hands :lol:

Yes, if you didn't actually change it manually, then your device must have done it :( It is a collaborative page, therefore, changes are automatically saved.

No problem, don't worry. This had already happened before, but I didn't mention anything, I just fixed it, however, that page is not very user-friendly regarding editing and fixing things, like the table, and eventhough it is supposed to have a versioning system... it really leaves much to be desired, so I ended up having to fix it once more... :cry:

Well, mystery solved ;)

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Explorer
Portugal

Re: Translator Jumble

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Bon, personnellement ça ne me casse pas les pieds. Je peux ainsi améliorer mon mauvais français :D

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Meli578588
Italy

Re: Translator Jumble

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gmads
Mexico

Re: Translator Jumble

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Meli578588 wrote: Thu Oct 06, 2022 12:54 am

@gmads ,
I clicked your link and it says , “service unavailable “ for me.

Yes, I have received the same error message, too. The site is quite erratic in its service.

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vero-bis
France

Re: Translator Jumble

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So, from now on, I know I must not go on a collaborative page from my tablette...
Sorry again...

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gmads
Mexico

Re: Translator Jumble

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vero-bis wrote: Thu Oct 06, 2022 6:29 am

So, from now on, I know I must not go on a collaborative page from my tablette...
Sorry again...

No problem ;) Cheers! <3

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gmads
Mexico

Re: Translator Jumble

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Hi, [mention]MoniqueMaRie[/mention], [mention]Meli578588[/mention],

I hope you are all well. Whenever you some time, please write down the sentence you received at the TJ page :)

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MoniqueMaRie
Germany

Re: Translator Jumble

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gmads wrote: Thu Oct 06, 2022 4:18 pm

Hi, @MoniqueMaRie, @Meli578588,

I hope you are all well. Whenever you some time, please write down the sentence you received at the TJ page :)

Done

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Meli578588
Italy

Re: Translator Jumble

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Corinnebelle

Re: Translator Jumble

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I'm amazed how far this game has come. I am enjoying the subtle flavors of language. [mention]gmads[/mention] Thanks for making this happen!

Also when I opened the TJ page, it asks me if I want to translate it from German, I click no, but obviously we must all watch out that we don't translate the page. I don't know why it wants it translated. The page is in English.

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Cifi

Re: Translator Jumble

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I'm not sure if I caused this? I looked at it recently, but for me it displayed English translations.

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Corinnebelle

Re: Translator Jumble

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Cifi wrote: Thu Oct 06, 2022 8:51 pm

I'm not sure if I caused this? I looked at it recently, but for me it displayed English translations.

It looked fine. Maybe it knew you were from German, so expected it would be in German, but it's not.

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Mexico

Re: Translator Jumble

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Translator Jumble game. Fourth round. Results.


*** Results ***

Gmads: Starting sentence (English)

The artist entered the cafe and went to his usual table, and although the atmosphere was saturated with cigarette smoke and dimly lit, the somewhat cold and regal appearance of the young woman who came to serve him made her look as if she were under the sun, so he could not help but exclaim "what a bearing of the maiden!"

Gmads: Spanish >> Véro-bis3, Explorer, Stasia, Cifi

El artista entró al café y se dirigió a su mesa habitual, y aunque el ambiente estaba saturado de humo de cigarro y tenuemente iluminado, la apariencia un tanto fría y regia de la joven que se acercó a atenderlo la hacía lucir como si estuviera bajo el sol, por lo que él no pudo sino exclamar "¡qué porte el de la señorita!".



*** First Branch

Vero-bis: French >> MustafaOuz526752

L’artiste est entré dans le café et s’est dirigé vers sa table habituelle, et, bien que l’atmosphère ait été saturée de fumée de cigarette et faiblement éclairée, l’apparence un peu froide et princière de la jeune femme qui est venue le servir lui a donné l’impression d’être au soleil, si bien qu’il n’a pas pu s’empêcher de s’exclamer « quelle allure a cette jeune femme ! ».

MustafaOuz526752: English >> Gmads

The artist entered the cafe and headed for his usual table. Although the atmosphere was saturated with cigarette smoke and faintly enlightened, the a-bit-cold-and-princessly appearance of the young woman who came to serve him gave him the impression that he was in the sun. Consequently, he could not help exclaiming, "what a look this young woman has!"



*** Second Branch

Explorer: German >> Monique Marie

Der Künstler betrat das Café und ging zu seinem üblichen Tisch, und obwohl die Atmosphäre mit Zigarettenrauch gesättigt und schwach beleuchtet war, das etwas kalte und königliche Erscheinungsbild der jungen Dame, die ihn bediente, ließ sie aussehen, als ob sie unter der Sonne wäre. Dann konnte er nur ausrufen: "was für eine Schönheit diese Frau hat!"

Monique Marie: Italian >> Méli578588

L'artista entrò nel caffè e andò al suo tavolo abituale, e nonostante l'atmosfera fosse satura di fumo di sigaretta e poco illuminata, l'aspetto un po' freddo e regale della signorina che lo serviva la faceva sembrare come se fosse sotto il sole. Allora non poté che esclamare: "Che bellezza ha questa donna!".

Meli578588: English >> Gmads

The artist walked into the cafe and went to his usual table and although the atmosphere was saturated with cigarette smoke and dimly lit, the somewhat chill and regal appearance of the young lady serving him, made her seem as if she were under the table sun. Then he could only exclaim: "What a beauty this woman has!"



*** Third Branch

Stasia: Polish >> Dana_Dany Danuta

Artysta wszedł do kawiarni i skierował się do swojego zwykłego stolika, i choć miejsce było przepełniona dymem cygarowym i słabo oświetlone, nieco chłodna i królewska postawa dziewczyny, która zbliżyła się, żeby mu usłużyć, sprawiła, że wyglądała rozświetlona, jakby była w słońcu, dlatego on nie mógł się powstrzymać od wykrzyknięcia: "Jaka przepiękna panienka!"

Dana_Dany Danuta: Russian >> Duome

Художник вошел в кафе и направился к своему обычному столику, и хотя место было наполнено сигарным дымом и тускло освещено, несколько прохладное и царственное поведение девушки, которая подошла обслужить его, придало ей вид освещенной, словно солнечным светом, так что он не мог не воскликнуть: "Какая прекрасная дева!"

Duome: English >> Gmads

The artist walked into the cafe and headed down to his usual table, and even though the place was filled with cigar smoke and dimly lit, somewhat cold and royal attitude of the girl that came to serve him made her appear as if she were lit by sunlight, so he couldn't help but exclaim: "what a beautiful maiden!"



*** Fourth Branch

Cifi: German >> Lama.03

Der Künstler betrat das Café und ging zu seinem gewohnten Tisch, und obwohl der Raum mit Zigarettenrauch gesättigt und schwach beleuchtet war, ließ die etwas kühle und königliche Erscheinung der jungen Frau, die kam, um ihn zu bedienen, sie aussehen, als ob sie in der Sonne stünde, deshalb konnte er nicht umhin auszurufen "welch eine Haltung der Dame!".

Lama.03: Arabic >> Alivated

دخل الفنان المقهى وذهب إلى طاولته المعتادة، وبالرغم من أن الغرفة كانت مشبّعة بدخان السجائر ومضاءة بشكل خافت, إلا أن المظهر البارد والملكي إلى حد ما للشابة التي جائت لخدمته جعلها تبدو وكأنها تقف في الشمس، لذلك لم يستطع إلا أن يصرخ "يا له من موقف للسيدة!".

Alivated: English >> Gmads

The artist entered the coffeeshop and went to his usual table, and although the room was saturated with the smoke of cigarettes and dimly lighted, the cold and somewhat royal appearance of the young lady who came to serve him made her seem as if she is standing in the sun, so he could not help but shout "what a stance for the lady."



*** Comparisons ***

--- English ---

0 :: The artist entered the cafe and went to his usual table, and although the atmosphere was saturated with cigarette smoke and dimly lit, the somewhat cold and regal appearance of the young woman who came to serve him made her look as if she were under the sun, so he could not help but exclaim "what a bearing of the maiden!"

1 :: The artist entered the cafe and headed for his usual table. Although the atmosphere was saturated with cigarette smoke and faintly enlightened, the a-bit-cold-and-princessly appearance of the young woman who came to serve him gave him the impression that he was in the sun. Consequently, he could not help exclaiming, "what a look this young woman has!"

2 :: The artist walked into the cafe and went to his usual table and although the atmosphere was saturated with cigarette smoke and dimly lit, the somewhat chill and regal appearance of the young lady serving him, made her seem as if she were under the table sun. Then he could only exclaim: "What a beauty this woman has!"

3 :: The artist walked into the cafe and headed down to his usual table, and even though the place was filled with cigar smoke and dimly lit, somewhat cold and royal attitude of the girl that came to serve him made her appear as if she were lit by sunlight, so he couldn't help but exclaim: "what a beautiful maiden!"

4 :: The artist entered the coffeeshop and went to his usual table, and although the room was saturated with the smoke of cigarettes and dimly lighted, the cold and somewhat royal appearance of the young lady who came to serve him made her seem as if she is standing in the sun, so he could not help but shout "what a stance for the lady."

--- German ---

2 :: Der Künstler betrat das Café und ging zu seinem üblichen Tisch, und obwohl die Atmosphäre mit Zigarettenrauch gesättigt und schwach beleuchtet war, das etwas kalte und königliche Erscheinungsbild der jungen Dame, die ihn bediente, ließ sie aussehen, als ob sie unter der Sonne wäre. Dann konnte er nur ausrufen: "was für eine Schönheit diese Frau hat!"

4 :: Der Künstler betrat das Café und ging zu seinem gewohnten Tisch, und obwohl der Raum mit Zigarettenrauch gesättigt und schwach beleuchtet war, ließ die etwas kühle und königliche Erscheinung der jungen Frau, die kam, um ihn zu bedienen, sie aussehen, als ob sie in der Sonne stünde, deshalb konnte er nicht umhin auszurufen "welch eine Haltung der Dame!".


*** My observations ***

What I liked about the sentence I proposed is that this was a real sentence to be translated, as proverbs tend to be just paired.

Yes, it was a relatively long sentence (quite an understatement? :lol: ), but I didn't think it was going to be very complicated :o

As I mentioned in a post exchanged with @Explorer, I wanted this sentence to be about vocabulary/expressions, more than grammar:

  • dimly lit
  • the somewhat cold and regal appearance
  • what a bearing of the maiden

I struggled a bit between choosing bearing and demeanor.

I had fun coming up with this sentence, so I hope you all had fun doing your respective translations :D

For anyone wondering, the sentence came from my own comment after seeing the image of la señorita :)


*** Questions ***

  1. Which was your first impression of the sentence you received?

  2. Which was the most complicated (scariest :lol: ) part to understand/translate?

  3. In a scale from 1 to 10, how difficult would you say this challenge was?

  4. In a scale from 1 to 10, how much fun would you say this round was?

  5. Did you learn any new words or concepts in doing this translation?

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gmads
Mexico

Re: Translator Jumble

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It has also been quite fun to put each sentence in Google Translate not only to see how it fares against us, but to listen each translation... beautiful! 8-)

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Cifi

Re: Translator Jumble

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I wonder where the table is coming from that is in the English translation 2::, and the subject change in 1::

I'll have to give it a closer look with help of translators.

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Germany

Re: Translator Jumble

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  1. Which was your first impression of the sentence you received?
    When I received the German sentence number 2, I had the impression of a description at the beginning of a crime novel. But maybe that's because I read so many of them.
    I wondered a little (but only a little) why the young lady (junge Dame) of the first part became a woman (Frau) in the exclamation. Because of the rather classical style, I would have expected "Mädchen" in the exclamation, but then I thought: maybe it is a modern text after all.

  2. Which was the most complicated (scariest :lol: ) part to understand/translate?
    In Italian I still have great difficulties with the tenses and sequences of tenses. I then try to lean on French, which is often more successful than German or English.

  3. In a scale from 1 to 10, how difficult would you say this challenge was?
    Middle - 5/6

  4. In a scale from 1 to 10, how much fun would you say this round was?
    it was my first round - a lot of fun : is 1 best or 10?

  5. Did you learn any new words or concepts in doing this translation?
    tenses and sequences of tenses for Italian; and I still have to look up a lot of vocabulary

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Explorer
Portugal

Re: Translator Jumble

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  • First impression: [mention]MoniqueMaRie[/mention] described it pretty well. I had the impression of being reading a "Krimi".

  • The scariest part was the concatenation of subordinate clauses. I was also quite unsure about the use of the Präteritum tense. It is often used in the literary style, but it's not that common in the spoken language. I had the feeling I was going to mess it up, since I'm not used to speak this way.

  • Difficulty: compared to previous rounds I'd say it was an 8.

  • How much fun: 9

  • I've learned I need to read more Krimis :D

May I propose the sentence for the next round?

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Re: Translator Jumble

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My first impression: that's quite long for one single sentence. This got even stronger after translating it into German. If I had written this in an essay at school, my teacher would probably have said I had better split it into two at least.

Difficulty: 9

Fun: at least 8 and still lasting :D

Scariest (or most difficult): Some of the words didn't seem to go well together using their standard translation. E.g. I disked "schwach beleuchtete Atmosphäre", so I changed made it a "schwach beleuchteter Raum". And his exclamation at the end, I still don't fully understand it, nor did I find examples for "What a bearing" (now that I know the English version) on Reverso context.

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Re: Translator Jumble

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On that subject change in Branch 1:

English the [...] appearance of the young woman [...] made her look as if she were under the sun: absolutely unambiguous that it's her being in the sun (or more precisely looking as if), and not him.

Spanish la apariencia [...] de la joven [...] la hacía lucir como si estuviera bajo el sol: there's ambiguity with the verb estuviera, but we still have la hacía lucir which clarifies that it's her.

French l’apparence [...] de la jeune femme [...] lui a donné l’impression d’être au soleil. This infinitive construction seems more ambiguous to me. Can it be either the artist who feels as if he was in the sun or the waitress who looks as if she was in the sun? If so, I would still assume the first option to be the more likely one, mainly because of the description of her appearance. Something cool or cold doesn't seem likely to give someone else a sunny feeling.

What do you think, especially native speakers of Spanish and French?

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