And jewels instead of lingots...
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They introduced hearts on the web :(
Re: They introduced hearts on the web :(
I guess it must be A/B testing again, as I still have lingots and no hearts. But well, sooner or later it's likely to come. I wonder how they will convert and merge the two "currencies". I had plenty of jems in the app at the time I deleted it from my devices, and have quite a few lingots, too.
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Re: They introduced hearts on the web :(
No hearts here. And I still have lingots.
It would actually make sense, though, to merge the "currencies" on the app and on the app. It never made sense having two different currencies.
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Re: They introduced hearts on the web :(
For now, I still have lingots on the web that I value more than hearts.
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Re: They introduced hearts on the web :(
The hearts were the reason I deleted the app from my phone and even when couldn't use my laptop, did lessons on the web version. Of course it starts as A/B, but surely everyone will have it.
And they converted my 40K+ of lingots into 32K jewels, while asking 100 jewels for a legendary run instead of 10 lingots. Definitely they want to get rid of us, laptop users.
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Re: They introduced hearts on the web :(
Yeah, I read about it on a Reddit post.
I guess this is the next logical step while keep riding on the downwards spiral.
I already don't use the Web anymore because of the path, wanting to stick to the EN-PT and DE-FR trees, broken Camilo's TreeEnhancer userscript, broken HttpXmlRequest for the /sessions Url (new Fetch Api) so we can't change the challengeTypes at the moment (removing match pairs or having a fixed line for only typing exercises,...).
Have I already said that I don't have health/hearts on the Android app?
And no ads?
Why? Because of the school classroom.
So create your own classroom as a teacher and enjoy a more usable Duolingo mobile app or Web (with updated Gems, hearts).
Sounds like the Duome Lingots SHOF will come soon to an end? Oh no, one of those rare things where I'm currently higher ranked
Sounds unfair to remove this from our accounts.
But I know, staff doesn't really care what users really want...
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Re: They introduced hearts on the web :(
Duolingo's support Faq https://support.duolingo.com/hc/en-us/a ... re-Hearts-
No date is specified, but I know that this article was written much earlier before the forums shut down on 22. March 2022 and before the path was introduced in November 2022 or January 2023.
Staff may change it again, so I copy it here in its old form.
What are Hearts?
Hearts are used as a way of pacing Duolingo lessons to balance practice and new material. You can lose Hearts by answering incorrectly too many times, which has been encouraging users to pay closer attention to what they are answering before hitting “check”. You will start out with 5 Hearts each day!
-> Doesn't cover badly maintained courses and expects that all error reports got cleared and multiple alternative answers are accepted.
-> with locked SDs you now would need to pay for Duolingo Max (OpenAi/ChatGpt/Gpt-4) to explain you why the heck your answer is wrong.
No real tutor is available on Duolingo for saved/selected more complicated sentences and to have a personal discussion with someone who knows how to explain something, make comparisons and put it into the big picture.
Why do we have Hearts?
Because it’s better for learning! Our research shows that if people advance too quickly on Duolingo in one day, it can actually negatively impact their learning because they are less likely to remember what they’ve learned. We know that users learn best when they study every day and take the time to practice and review what they’ve learned. The Hearts feature encourages users who are making mistakes to take a breather and review previous lessons before moving forward.
-> Many users had been binging to higher crown levels immediately for a single skill on the old tree. This often was very counterproductive for the new ultra-long CEFR trees (Latin/Romance/Germanic based alphabet) as you hardly will make a proper forward progress that way.
I'm not speaking about harder languages where you might want to re-strengthening the learned words more often by reviewing sentence constructions so you don't only want to focus on a L1-L3 mixed crowns forward progress.
-> They don't want to accept the reality that without good SRS software, more recalling/typing tests and shorter 4-5h plus 12h and regular 1-6 day normal review intervals your accuracy rate often goes down as soon you run into "Overdueness" reviews; or that you easier forget and you need to relearn words.
-> Duolingo still fails to introduce NEW vocabulary (single words) for each lesson in a short summary.
Busuu somehow does this better (sometimes, not always, as they love to jump into dialogues or give harder example sentences in A1 French with stuff which comes much later in the A2 section).
Duolingo just feels like an endless test, where you have to make use of hint (hints many times don't match expectations/correct translations in that particular context!), but not a proper way to focus on learning of new vocabulary.
Honestly, without Memrise (Web) and installed Cooljingle's typing userscripts and scripts from other programmer gods and using it in 2016-2018+ as a SRS software in parallel to Duolingo I don't think I would have been very successful with learning Brazilian Portuguese, my first Romance language, and drilling this preposition/contraction stuff and more grammar related things (in the TARGET language)!
How can I earn a Heart?
You practice previous material to restore a lost Heart. Tap on the Hearts icon towards the top, and then tap "Practice". Each lesson practiced will restore one Heart. Typically, your next Heart will refill every 5 hours, so your total of five Hearts will restore within 25 hours.
For those who still want to binge on Duolingo without taking a break or taking the time to review lessons, Hearts can also be refilled with Gems.
NOTE: You will not see Hearts when completing a practice through the Heart tab
-> The thing is that my error reports are counted as a mistake!!
I get the same "not fixed" sentence again when I level up crowns and need to review all errors from previous 1-2 crown levels in a skill on the old Android app.
I doubt that you can selectively drill 100-300+ of due words with a strict SRS cycle only by using Duolingo which always wants to hold back from asking you to focus on the TARGET language and free typing.
How can I have unlimited Hearts?
All Super Duolingo subscribers have unlimited hearts as a benefit of their subscription. You can learn more about enabling this feature here.
-> Here we go. They now want/ need the Web as a cash grab to generate new income and push users into a Super subscription (which still has no advanced user options for customized lessons about translation directions, free typing, disabling match pairs, no multiple-choice questions, etc. sox years later).
What about other platforms?
Hearts are currently available to Android and iOS users. We do NOT CURRENTLY have plans to bring this to Web
So now you can finally strike through this "currently"
The web portal won't be FREE anymore in the midterm.
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Re: They introduced hearts on the web :(
Over all the years we discussed this almost to death on the former Duolingo community forum.
I never read the Duolingo public reports to investors but it was stated by other users that management has to rectify about ideas how to monetize their platform, how to push users into Super subscriptions, what they did already or expect from users how to spend their Gems, get motivated to buy new Gems, what new features they have on the road or want to introduce to focus more on Gems stuff.
Basically I burned through 25-30/35k blue Gems (my red Web Lingots got converted) on the Android app in 2021/22 when I first time used it...only for the Leagues and timer extends, no Legendary. Just ridiculous. How stupid can a user be as they've programmed the app features in a way you can't really beat it and you always want to refill time to get 40Xp or not to fall back on level 3 or 2 of Ramp Up challenge?
Not anymore!
..(...)..
There are several problems with Duolingo:
- Japanese new path rollout suddenly doesn't accept many Kanjis in earlier units
- New CEFR content usually doesn't provide many synonyms, not too many alternative answers (see this mess for French/Spanish in 2018/19 or when they later introduced new sections on the old tree
- user report queues have not got cleared for several other courses
(I heard this mainly about the Italian course; courses have not been touched, errors not corrected (not even in the PT course here and there - I recently ran across a complicated sentence with improper English grammar tense usage, still not corrected, discussed to death in the sentence discussion by other users; I would consider this course among the better ones as the former course moderator/ contributor team actively took part in SDs and many alternatives got added over all the years))... must be much worse in other or Beta courses.
Dirk was kicked out as a contributor in the DE->ES course in April 2022 when they stopped the program so thousands of reports remained in the system even he gave his best for several months to fix the most annoying errors.
You can't easily catch up from hundreds of thousands of errors/reports.
- I heard English translations are NOT always the most natural ones for several courses and multiple sentences or alternative answers are simply missing (which makes hardly any sense when you're losing hearts).
That's probably one reason why the web portal turned OFF free typing text prompts and forces us into tapping of word banks.
Or are thsy back again??
That's probably staff's preparation for this upcoming health/hearts stuff?!?
- The German course has been rebuilt for CEFR or is still in the process which means new phrases/ sentences and words, not too many alternatives from the start, synonyms missing, constant incremental restructures...it surely will be a mess for a while (just look at Spanish/French for first few years how it exactly went).
-> I would want the previous stable German from English contributor tree back with 121 skills. Old sentences had more accepted answers.
That way I could practice English writing in later sections.
Oh, I forgot, reverse trees hardly are supported now on the Web portal, with missing base/source audio and free typing.
FYI: Staff never fixed my deleted German course which I accidentally had resetted it when I begged to restore it from a backup.
I've never truly picked it up again to try to catch up where I had previously left.
Busuu or EF or this app from that Hungarian company called Xeropan is probably the better source for English learning than to waste time with too many translations.
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Re: They introduced hearts on the web :(
Thomas.Heiss wrote: ↑Wed May 17, 2023 9:34 pmI guess this is the next logical step while keep riding on the downwards spiral.
But I know, staff doesn't really care what users really want...
Whenever you think the changes can't get any worse, they do.
As always, it's a matter of making (more) money. I think all language apps have to fight for their lives, because there are more and more apps in this field and less and less people who have the time to learn that they had in Corona times. But instead of making the app better or listening to the users wishes, they are trying to cut costs by deleting features. Which is a very dangerous strategy and can backfire badly by losing more and more users. It wouldn't be the first company to go bankrupt this way. But obviously every CEO has to learn that for himself.
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Re: They introduced hearts on the web :(
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They probably should have started asking for a higher price or (unaffordable or affordable) LIFETIME - pay once - prices to get more paying customers.
Wanted to find again that how-to-learn-any-language website http://how-to-learn-any-language.com/e/index.html - which has a nice table sorting feature like difficulty - to check the French summary and Google search gives me this for those keywords on the first page:
"Duolingo - The world's best way to learn a language
With our FREE mobile app or web and a few minutes a day, everyone can Duolingo. Learn 30+ languages online with bite-size lessons based on science."
Didn't know "Duolingo" can be used as a verb
BTW: That page http://how-to-learn-any-language.com/e/ ... index.html also is able to list similarities between two languages for the vocabulary or grammar like the "lexical factor" page from Wikipedia (e.g. Spanish and Portuguese is 0.89) or from the base English language.
Yes, I learned a lot of Portuguese grammar and Romance basics with the help of the volunteer contributor PT tree and written Web T&N and sentence discussions backed by the former course moderator team, but almost had given up after 3-4 months because of too much animal and food vocabulary (which we can't ignore or skip over) and way too many robotic sentences with no relation for the real word, so was not very useful - in the beginning; originally volunteer Duolingo courses focuses more on the grammar aspect, not so much on the CEFR vocabulary or more useful phrases.
So I used Memrise PT 1-7 courses or 50languages phrasebook in parallel and later started with Mondly in summer 2017 (which lacks to teach grammar formally and lacks free typing).
For example:
Recently I stumbled across the "Duvido / I doubt" saying on higher crown levels and sentence usage and different translations for "tivesse" discussed in the SDs in one of the Perfect (either Future Perfect or Subjunctive Perfect) skills where it didn't exactly map to "had".
Thankfully the related SD was not empty and a former course moderator was highlighting several usages how Duvido can trigger different meanings and sentence constructions and a bunch of varying EN translations for the second sentence part.
My impression from this "hardcore exercise" which I hardly remember much from a few days later without marking/saving it on the mobile app (which is of course NOT supported, not even to save that comment_id link for a review again on the Web portal) with a chance to review it the next weeks/daily and trying to understand all other given sentence examples:
Despite that I'm kinda thankful that Duolingo got me started in Portuguese and I learned a lot:
No, Duolingo obviously is not the BEST way to learn a new language or even practice after six years and those more advanced grammar concepts if you dig deeper and do very detailed tense comparisons.
You surely won't beat 1-on-1 teacher tutoring, guided courses (e.g. Chatterbug), full-time classroom 4-6+ hour courses which last several months where you hear a native tutor speaking, do group exericses, take part in discussions, etc.
I will re-read the given Web T&N for Portuguese and those skills but normally not everything from the SDs gets covered there (same for the mobile Portuguese app tips from staff which barely scratch the surface).
As I'm feeling blank in that particular Duvido case: Should probably have bought a good PT grammar book or intermediate/advanced course 4+ years ago
And definitely would need to write down everything from the quite detailed SD comments into a notebook, on paper. But who does this really?
But well, you know, haven't touched any bought English grammar/vocabulary book from Cambridge press over all the years and the smartphone with its dark mode and 1000-3400k blue light filtering is more handy.
Maybe you can related to this..
Lately I also came across new PT sentences on Duolingo which had no SD assigned at all.
Coursebooks in the current form from the path won't help true PT beginners if they are empty or don't cover advanced explanations from the former course moderator team as a summary.
Instead of improving the old Web T&N and adding more content to them they're officially gone on the desktop website and have no real replacement.
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Has staff removed links to the discussion button on the web portal for some users / A/B testing?
Had read something like this on Reddit. The button doesn't always work anyway. Haven't tried for a longer time...
Right now I see again a flood of created PT sentences by the sentence bot in the unanswered forum, but more early beginner sentences which makes me wonder why the normal SD button from Duolingo is not being used and why that Duome extension keeps flooding the forum with basic sentences nobody will actually care for and which sentence doesn't contain a real question from that learner.
EDIT: I moved this nested "sentence bot" subject with my above quote to the other "My native language is English but Duome forum is only showing me xx" thread if you want to discuss it further: viewtopic.php?p=56992-my-native-languag ... ian#p56992
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A yearly Plus/Super subscription model seems to me like nonsense if you do the total math for 6+ years and 89.99 Euros/year.
Note: The old www.duolingo.com/plus or plus.duolingo.com websites don't work for me in a school classroom to look up current prices. Same for the (same) links from the Duolingo support Faq website.
That's one of the reasons I was giving the Fluyo team early feedback on the Kickstarter comments that some of us are looking for a more affordable LIFETIME option, optionally for 1-2 or 3 languages instead of 50-70 (Mango, Pimsleur) or 10+ languages.
But I guess only the $479 Usd lifetime option will be coming back to Fluyo end of May on their website.
Why can't a company simply offer something in a more affordable $99-149/199€ (max) range as pay for once or less?!?
FYI: I bought a "Digital Publishing" French A1 software Cd in 2008. Was in the 49.99€ range. Only tried it finally for 1-3 days in summer 2017 after I had been learning Portuguese for about 9 months so I had a bit of a Romance language background which didn't help much (which was no surprise to be honest).
This French "beginner" A1 software was way above over my head. Seems to have similar issues with Busuu when they directly jump into two-person dialogues way too early. So you actually need a 1.0-1.5+ head start.
In the meantime I would need to update the SW (V11 from 2008 didn't automatically show infinitives for verb conjugations and might not work on Win11 (need to try); older DP software versions I own for English like V8 can't be easily upgraded) to the latest 2014 version.
Seems the company Huebner verlag has moved on with a new product "Speexx".
You can do the math for yourself how much wasted money subscriptions are (especially if you don't use them daily).
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Re: They introduced hearts on the web :(
Thomas.Heiss wrote: ↑Fri May 19, 2023 8:20 amRight now I see again a flood of created PT sentences by the sentence bot in the unanswered forum, but more early beginner sentences which makes me wonder why the normal SD button from Duolingo is not being used and why that Duome extensions keeps flooding the forum with basic sentences […]
As long as there is someone that has an interest for a particular language, I guess there will continue to be this so-called flooding. This should be a closed matter: the New posts listing is filtered, for those who do not want to see the flood, and the Unread/Unanswered/Active are unfiltered, for those that want to see it. I sincerely hope this topic will not be brought back to life once again: I don't think we need a related spate of zombie themes to resurface
Thomas.Heiss wrote: ↑Fri May 19, 2023 8:20 am[…] nobody will actually care for and which sentence doesn't contain a real question.
Isn't that presuming too much about the future? Anyway:
if they are empty that is because the people who have the knowledge to contribute something productive or of interest lack either the time or the interest to do so, unfortunately
isn't this a language-related forum?
none seem too worried about what will happen if Duolingo decides, for whatever reasons, to close the remaining forums
just as there's a shower of SD, there's also a deluge of Duolingo-related issues —which I don't hear complaints about even though I am sure there most be many (me included) who are completely unconcerned about them— and that are truly irrelevant because at the end of the day 1) there's little anyone can do about them 2) they change by the day
Time to think out of the box? Maybe the solution could lie in splitting this site in two: log in and choose which set of forums you want to visit: everything and anything language-related or everything and anything about the software and/or the company. Radical problems require radical solutions.
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Re: They introduced hearts on the web :(
Thomas.Heiss wrote: ↑Fri May 19, 2023 8:20 amRight now I see again a flood of created PT sentences by the sentence bot in the unanswered forum, but more early beginner sentences which makes me wonder why the normal SD button from Duolingo is not being used and why that Duome extensions keeps flooding the forum with basic sentences nobody will actually care for and which sentence doesn't contain a real question.
If it's anything like me, I click the Duome button on one sentence, and the sentence bot makes a topic for a completely different one*. If I can think of something interesting to say about the sentence that the plugin has lumbered me with off the top of my head, I will, but otherwise, it´s staying in unanswered.
*Yes, I've tried turning it off and on again.
Also, while Duolingo's SD button does work, well, usually, the page that it links to is read only, which isn't great if you actually want to ask something about it.
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Re: They introduced hearts on the web :(
Jimbo wrote: ↑Fri May 19, 2023 10:48 amThomas.Heiss wrote: ↑Fri May 19, 2023 8:20 amRight now I see again a flood of created PT sentences by the sentence bot in the unanswered forum,
If it's anything like me, I click the Duome button on one sentence, and the sentence bot makes a topic for a completely different one*.
*Yes, I've tried turning it off and on again.
From my own experience that happens once one gets to the first motivational page; well, at least in my case when I was doing the legendary level of each unit: I would get like 10 questions, I think, and then the motivational page, from that point on the sentences I would get would be off by one, that is, I would get the sentence from the next question until the end, where maybe I would get the missing sentence; sometimes the difference would be off by two, but the usual situation would be that of being off by one.
Jimbo wrote: ↑Fri May 19, 2023 10:48 amThomas.Heiss wrote: ↑Fri May 19, 2023 8:20 amRight now I see again a flood of created PT sentences by the sentence bot in the unanswered forum, but more early beginner sentences which makes me wonder why the normal SD button from Duolingo is not being used and why that Duome extensions keeps flooding the forum with basic sentences nobody will actually care for and which sentence doesn't contain a real question.
If I can think of something interesting to say about the sentence that the plugin has lumbered me with off the top of my head, I will, but otherwise, it´s staying in unanswered.
Exactly. That should be the idea. And even if there is nothing to say or comment or question at the moment, who is to say that there won't be something to comment or to question at a later time, either from you or from someone else. Since I finished the Italian course, now I see many interesting grammatical aspects (or from whatever other possible points of view, like vocabulary or culture) in sentences who had gone invisible before. Maybe as a beginner I wouldn't have saved the sentences in here by clicking the button, but from my current position I see them as something valuable to have in here for anyone to contribute. But of course, this is an individual question; some like to contribute in this language sense, others do not, but at least the sentence is there.
Currently I am doing the same with the stories. There is no "flooding" of course, this goes at a different pace, but the idea is exactly the same. Anyway, there's a filtering in action for the listing used the most by the majority.
Right. And who knows what will happen with DL in the future; so at least for a few sentences I took some time to copy valuable comments that were at the Duolingo forum and put them in here.
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Re: They introduced hearts on the web :(
@gmads If one turned off motivational messages would it fix the problem? When you get that is that 20xp mark? That's when the Hebrew was off from.
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Re: They introduced hearts on the web :(
It seems I dodged a bullet then. I deleted my accounts when the snakes came, but this is a new low.
I also tried to open the website on my phone (just for curiosity's sake, as I don't have an account anymore) and it wouldn't load. Duo just kept singing and dancing endlessly. Not sure what was up with that ... does it just take forever to load now, or is it down temporarily and just won't tell me?
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Re: They introduced hearts on the web :(
ARCANA-MVSA wrote: ↑Tue May 23, 2023 11:23 am.... I also tried to open the website on my phone (just for curiosity's sake, as I don't have an account anymore) and it wouldn't load. Duo just kept singing and dancing endlessly. Not sure what was up with that ... does it just take forever to load now, or is it down temporarily and just won't tell me?
It takes forever to load now
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Re: They introduced hearts on the web :(
MoniqueMaRie wrote: ↑Tue May 23, 2023 2:49 pmARCANA-MVSA wrote: ↑Tue May 23, 2023 11:23 am.... I also tried to open the website on my phone (just for curiosity's sake, as I don't have an account anymore) and it wouldn't load. Duo just kept singing and dancing endlessly.
It takes forever to load now
Works for me on the Redmi Note 10 Pro with Miui 12.5 installed (Android 11).
Would want to suggest to use Firefox Nightly (developer/debug mode with custom collection__id) browser with the uBlock Origin addon.
But Chrome Dev V115.0.5776.0 doesn't give me a big problem either.
The path (for Portuguese) is instantly there.
No dancing owl freezes.
Alternately you could try Kiwi or Yandex Alpha browsers as both support full extensions on Android.
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Re: They introduced hearts on the web :(
Thankful to have had years of free unimpeded laptop language learning before this. I feel a little better about it now that I discovered that I could earn hearts by practicing easier lessons selected by Duolingo. The practice seems a little too easy, but hopefully it will transition to a little more advanced practice as I go. Overall, I have learned a lot since I started using Duolingo, and though I have been frustrated many times by changes, I eventually grow to appreciate that I am still being challenged to advance my learning.
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Today I noticed that DL is using the hated hearts from the mobile version when I use it in a browser on my laptop (Mac, Safari). My 17,000 or so lingots have been converted into about 69,000 gems. I haven't had to buy a refill of hearts yet, so I don't know what the cost is yet. Free users who don't have such a stash of gems might find themselves having to choose between buying refills, watching ads, just waiting a day or breaking down and paying for super access.
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Re: Hearts and gems in web browser
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Re: Hearts and gems in web browser
This should be interesting. I use my laptop and vary the browser, depending on the problems I have with access to my (somewhat broken) tree here on duome. I also do things on the snake (on DL) as well, almost daily. I don't pay for anything on DL's horrible site. Today, horror of horrors, my lingots have disappeared and have been replaced with a lesser # of gems. HOWEVER, in my lessons it shows a single heart with an infinity sign. On DL, if I click on this it says "you don't have to worry about making mistakes." Yeah, right! Let's see how long this lasts.
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Re: They introduced hearts on the web :(
Got hearts now.
Guess this is only a problem for new lessons.
It converted all my lingots. Wonder if they're going to charge me for legendary now?
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Re: They introduced hearts on the web :(
Same issue as of tonight.
I got through about half my normal number of lessons. If I go through a tougher patch and find I can´t make enough progress to maintain my streak, I´ll probably drop the course. There are other, less frustrating ways to practice.
In unrelated news, I think they´ve expanded the Catalan tree, but that´s where I bogged down, so I couldn´t get a good look at it.
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Re: They introduced hearts on the web :(
They have converted my useless lingots into "gems" and now there seem to be hearts in the web version (which I have always been using), although it says they are unlimited. I hope I can finish my Japanese course before they start ruining the whole experience...
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Re: Hearts and gems in web browser
On my (web version, android/firefox) duolingo account it did seem like there was some maintenance or preparatory tinkering going on in the background recently. I'd noticed a few little oddities over the last week or two - like certain features randomly coming and going.
And, yep, now I have hearts. So far, my (normal, free) practice button has vanished. I'll give it a few days for them to do a bit of ironing and I'll see what else awaits me...
(edit - I don't mean I'm going to stop using Duolingo - I still find Duo useful, and hopefully still will whatever awaits me.)
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Re: They introduced hearts on the web :(
I just noticed having hearts on the web too. I think this might finally be where I give up. I preferred web because I didn't have to worry about making mistakes, because I always make those (and often it's not an user-error, but Duolingo simply not accepting some words), and I always hated the stress on mobile. Besides, I learn from mistakes, I need to make mistakes in order to learn and improve, and Duolingo is punishing for those now. It's not encouraging at all, rather enraging instead...
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Re: They introduced hearts on the web :(
Cifi wrote: ↑Wed May 17, 2023 4:37 pmI guess it must be A/B testing again, as I still have lingots and no hearts. But well, sooner or later it's likely to come. I wonder how they will convert and merge the two "currencies". I had plenty of jems in the app at the time I deleted it from my devices, and have quite a few lingots, too.
In my experience, Duolingo implements major changes, including ones we know well in advance are coming for everyone, gradually, with the new format/tree/whatever being rolled out to relatively small batches of people at a time.
This may be an A/B test or it may be an actual already-decided-on change being implemented slowly. We won't know until Duolingo decides to tell us and/or it becomes obvious that most people have the version already and the changeover process is continuing and/or the hypothetical A/B test is discontinued, with all accounts reverting to the original.
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Re: Hearts and gems in web browser
I, too, use only my laptop to use duo and discovered this change today. But in my case, I was given 5 hearts to use for the lesson, not an unlimited number. I don't understand any of this. We'll see how long I last.
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Re: They introduced hearts on the web :(
The thing about making mistakes, at least for me sometimes, is that often when I touch a word on the screen, it doesn't work or the word next to it gets used, and if I don't notice right away, then I've made a mistake. Not my fault, but now I'm going to get punished for it. There have been times when I've had to hold my finger down pretty hard on my choice or keep trying multiple times until it works. And now it's going to cost me. This is all getting too stupid for words.
I'm so glad I got to know Duolingo when it was a much better place to learn. I used to never miss a day, and now I find less and less desire to keep my streak going. One day soon, I'll completely forget why I even do it and that'll be the end of it. For now, though, I'd like to make it to 1000 (almost there) just to say I did it. I actually don't think I'm learning anything new anymore, come to think of it.
Re: Hearts and gems in web browser
Thanks, Thomas. It had been so long since I'd last seen that thread that I'd forgotten about it. I signed up as a teacher and now I see a red infinity symbol where the the heart and the number used to be. Last night I fiddled around long enough that I needed to buy a refill of hearts and noticed that the cost was 450 gems. So having infinite hearts is obviously better. Also I am in fact an online English teacher, and using DL in classes might be a productive way to engage some students who aren't very motivated.