Old tree section 4 – tough sentences

[PtolemysXX]

The attached file contains a selection of tough sentences from all 16 skills of section 4 of the old tree. These skills correspond to units 34 - 41 of the new path

[dxtoeppe]

Not a techie. Tried to download it and then open it. Unable to do so- It compared it to 11699 file types. I am on a laptop using Microsoft 10. Any suggestions?

[gmads]

Not a techie. Tried to download it and then open it. Unable to do so- It compared it to 11699 file types. I am on a laptop using Microsoft 10. Any suggestions?

First of all, the download finished correctly? In your downloads folder you should have an Excel file named, "DL EN-IT sentences section 4.xls," of 131,072 bytes.

Secondly, as it is an Excel file you need to have it installed. If you don't, you may want to download and install LibreOffice.

Finally, could it be that your antivirus software is marking it (a false-positive) and therefore is blocking it?

[dxtoeppe]

I installed LibreOffice and then tried again. Looked at previous and latest downloads. I do not think it finished correctly? It does not have .xls after the file name. Any way to to get it to finish? Or is this my antivirus software kicking in and it will not do it no matter what? Guess I am learning another language besides Italian! Thanks.

[gmads]

I installed LibreOffice and then tried again. Looked at previous and latest downloads. I do not think it finished correctly? It does not have .xls after the file name. Any way to to get it to finish? Or is this my antivirus software kicking in and it will not do it no matter what? Guess I am learning another language besides Italian! Thanks.

Ok. If you take a look at the Downloads folder and look for the file, you should see something like the first entry in the following image. Don't worry if the entry does not include the extension (".xls"), that only means that your Windows Explorer is configured not to display the extension (that is actually the default behavior).

Also, in your case, since you didn't have Excel installed, the icon at the left of the filename should have been a generic one (not the one of Excel), and the description under the Type column would have simply said, "File XLS." Now that you have OfficeLibre installed, you should see both a more specific description and icon.

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Now, to check for the exact size of the file, right-click over the file entry, that should open a small menu box (as shown at the left part of the image), and then select the last menu option: Properties, that should open a small dialog box with all the properties of the file (as shown at the right part of the image). Look for the Size entry, you should see that it says, 128 KB (131,072 bytes). If so, then we can assume it downloaded correctly.

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If you are still unsure about the file, you may want to delete it and download the following zip file. It contains the same Excel file but in a newer version (the extension is: .xlsx). Once you have downloaded the zip file (it is a 55,755 bytes file), right-click it, and once the menu box opens, select the option Extract all.... The extracted file is named "DL EN-IT sentences section 4.xlsx" and has a length of 60,786 bytes.

[dxtoeppe]

So much fun when I don't speak Spanish(?) or computer. It is 128KB. Type of file says XLS. Looks like yours says open with: Excel. That is not an option for me. If I try the Microsoft store for other apps, then look for Excel (for home and student or personal version) cost is $70. Sorry, don't want to learn Italian that badly. Do not know enough to show you my screenshot but I do not think it is worth pursuing. Thanks.

[gmads]

So much fun when I don't speak Spanish(?) or computer. It is 128KB. Type of file says XLS. Looks like yours says open with: Excel. That is not an option for me. If I try the Microsoft store for other apps, then look for Excel (for home and student or personal version) cost is $70. Sorry, don't want to learn Italian that badly. Do not know enough to show you my screenshot but I do not think it is worth pursuing. Thanks.

You are welcome.

The images were just as a reference. If you installed OfficeLibre, double-clicking the file should have opened it.

Anyway, this file doesn't have anything to do with learning Italian, it's simply a collection of some sentences from the Duolingo course: there's nothing special about them. If you are doing the Italian course, you will find them sooner or later

[PtolemysXX]

I have ported the spreadsheet to Googledocs. This way you should not need any additional software to view it.

[gmads]

I have ported the spreadsheet to Googledocs. This way you should not need any additional software to view it.

I had thought of that, but you beat me to it

By the way, it would be interesting to know (perhaps by adding a comment to each sentence) what it is that makes each one a difficult sentence. What do you think?

Maybe even better, what about adding your comments or observations to the corresponding Duome sentence discussion thread. Let the chaos and general discomfort that I recently caused at least serve its purpose I think that you should be able to easily locate many of the sentences: chi di voi…, perché non venite… etc.

[PtolemysXX]

By the way, it would be interesting to know (perhaps by adding a comment to each sentence) what it is that makes each one a difficult sentence. What do you think?

I like the idea. See below.

Maybe even better, what about adding your comments or observations to the corresponding Duome sentence discussion thread. Let the chaos and general discomfort that I recently caused at least serve its purpose I think that you should be able to easily locate many of the sentences: chi di voi…, perché non venite… etc.

I also prefer to attach comments to the appropriate topics in the sentence discussion folder. This gives the community an opportunity to contribute and would be a direct continuation of Duolingo's own sentence discussions. Thanks to you there is already a decent database to begin with.

A Google spreadsheet like the one above might be used as an index to for an easier search in both directions.

One thing bothers me at the moment is that sentence topics from duome do not show up in google searches (not in my searches at least) yet I think they already contain a wealth of information useful not only to duolingo users. Perhaps the Google bot has not made it there yet or duome blocks it.

[gmads]

Maybe even better, what about adding your comments or observations to the corresponding Duome sentence discussion thread.

I also prefer to attach comments to the appropriate topics in the sentence discussion folder. This gives the community an opportunity to contribute and would be a direct continuation of Duolingo's own sentence discussions.

Exactly! Great!

A Google spreadsheet like the one above might be used as an index to for an easier search in both directions.

Yes, that could be an option. In my case I chose to create an index page, just as I later did for the stories. As the SD (sentence discussions) are all scattered around, each one having its own thread, my posts include a link back to the index page.

• Elenco di "frasi di discussione" con informazioni utili
  ​(List of "sentence discussions" with useful information)

That list points not only to difficult sentences that have an explanatory comment, but also to normal sentences that have additional useful information.

One thing bothers me at the moment is that sentence topics from duome do not show up in google searches (not in my searches at least) yet I think they already contain a wealth of information useful not only to duolingo users. Perhaps the Google bot has not made it there yet or duome blocks it.

From what I was able to observe, that only happens when the sentence discussion thread is missing from Duolingo.

I don't know about the internals of the sentence discussion script, but in a large number of cases it didn't include the link to the Duo SD, forcing me to manually search for it and include it in a new post. Fortunately, @Dana_Dany Danuta helped me a lot doing this

[PtolemysXX]

Yes, that could be an option. In my case I chose to create an index page, just as I later did for the stories. As the SD (sentence discussions) are all scattered around, each one having its own thread, my posts include a link back to the index page.

• Elenco di "frasi di discussione" con informazioni utili
  ​(List of "sentence discussions" with useful information)

That list points not only to difficult sentences that have an explanatory comment, but also to normal sentences that have additional useful information.

I prefer that too, it makes the forum independent of Google Docs. The reason I chose the latter was that I just saw it being used in some other thread here, I got super excited (I have not used Google docs before) and for that particular job of porting an excel spreadsheet it was very efficient.

One thing bothers me at the moment is that sentence topics from duome do not show up in google searches (not in my searches at least) yet I think they already contain a wealth of information useful not only to duolingo users. Perhaps the Google bot has not made it there yet or duome blocks it.

From what I was able to observe, that only happens when the sentence discussion thread is missing from Duolingo.

I don't know about the internals of the sentence discussion script, but in a large number of cases it didn't include the link to the Duo SD, forcing me to manually search for it and include it in a new post. Fortunately, @Dana_Dany Danuta helped me a lot doing this

What I was trying to say here was that if I open Google search and look for a particular sentence I get a link to duolingo.com, perhaps some other links like Reddit & co. but not to duome.eu where the same sentence may have been discussed in detail...

[gmads]

One thing bothers me at the moment is that sentence topics from duome do not show up in google searches […]

From what I was able to observe, that only happens when the sentence discussion thread is missing from Duolingo.

What I was trying to say here was that if I open Google search and look for a particular sentence I get a link to duolingo.com, perhaps some other links like Reddit & co. but not to duome.eu where the same sentence may have been discussed in detail...

You are right! I missed that you were clearly talking about Duome!