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Did Duo just kill off the direct links to the old tree?

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Re: Did Duo just kill off the direct links to the old tree?

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DaliborNovy wrote: Tue Mar 21, 2023 8:06 am
JudieLC wrote: Tue Mar 21, 2023 3:59 am

I can't do legendary lessons from the Snake when I have no lingots.
I can do legendary lessons using the direct url even if I don't have lingots.

Yes, it's right. In the quoted post, I wrote about the situation where you've enough lingots.

JudieLC wrote: Tue Mar 21, 2023 3:59 am

Not sure what you mean by Challenge lessons being lingots free when the Unit is already legendary. I don't see any way to do Challenge lessons when the unit is already legendary.

It's a special lesson similar to Legendary (difficult and varied). It can be launched using the same direct URL when the unit is already Legendary.

See:
viewtopic.php?p=44001-did-duo-just-kill ... ree#p44001
viewtopic.php?p=43625-did-duo-just-kill ... ree#p43625

Oh. That makes sense. Don’t think I ever knew about that option.

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DaliborNovy wrote: Tue Mar 21, 2023 8:06 am

It's a special lesson similar to Legendary (difficult and varied). It can be launched using the same direct URL when the unit is already Legendary.

See:
viewtopic.php?p=44001-did-duo-just-kill ... ree#p44001
viewtopic.php?p=43625-did-duo-just-kill ... ree#p43625

Ah. I've seen those threads/posts, but it didn't register that you could do the challenges after you completed the legendary levels for a unit. Not sure why I'd want to, although I guess maybe for practice.

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Re: Did Duo just kill off the direct links to the old tree?

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JudieLC wrote: Tue Mar 21, 2023 3:43 am
gmads wrote: Mon Mar 20, 2023 11:19 pm
JudieLC wrote: Mon Mar 20, 2023 7:19 pm

When I used to launch legendaries off of my Duome page, before DL zapped that method, I wasn't asked for lingots up front, but I noticed that they had been deducted after I completed the legendary lesson. So maybe launching from the url works the same way. It's possible that lingots would have been deducted at the end, if I'd had lingots to deduct.

As I was beginning to read your answer I just remembered that one day during my first week doing the legendary level, I was in fact charged with some lingots. What I deduced at that moment was that it had to do with the number of units I had already done: I had done two units and I was starting the third one. Since then, at most I have done two units per day and I haven't been asked to pay any lingots.

Apart from my total XP, I don't actually pay any attention to any of my numbers, so I haven't noticed if any are being deduced after doing a full level. I'll try to check and see.

I don't understand. I am always asked to pay lingots to do legendary levels, whether it's the first legendary unit of the day I'm trying to do or not. So does not seem to depend on the number of legendary units you do in one day.

I am definitely no expert at DL. I just login, do whatever lessons or practice I am going to do, and that's basically it. At one time I liked tracking my XP (I like nice looking numbers), but that's it.

I am about to start unit 37, so, as I said, "I'll try to check and see" how things behave.

My current stats are:

  • 149095 XP (#276750) • crowns: 325 • streak: 31 (+1269) • lingots: 9813 (#67598)

I work on a browser on my laptop. I have a file with all the links to the snake components. After I click on the Level up link from unit 37, I am taken to address:

I click on Continue and the questions start appearing, one after the other. Just as described.

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Re: Did Duo just kill off the direct links to the old tree?

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Okay, @gmads , but how many lingots did you do have after you finish answering all the questions in the lesson?

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Re: Did Duo just kill off the direct links to the old tree?

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JudieLC wrote: Tue Mar 21, 2023 11:16 pm

Okay, @gmads , but how many lingots did you do have after you finish answering all the questions in the lesson?

Wait a sec… I am just starting the first of eight rounds. I'll be telling you how my numbers change after each round ;)

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Re: Did Duo just kill off the direct links to the old tree?

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@JudieLC

gmads wrote: Tue Mar 21, 2023 11:04 pm

I am about to start unit 37, so, as I said, "I'll try to check and see" how things behave.

My current stats are:

  • 149095 XP (#276750) • crowns: 325 • streak: 31 (+1269) • lingots: 9813 (#67598)

I just finished the first round and these are my current numbers:

  • 149135 XP (#276732) • crowns: 325 • streak: 31 (+1269) • lingots: 9813 (#67598)

So, the only thing that changed, was the XP.

About half-way I got the "Nice job! Here's 20 XP" screen. Once I finished the round, I got the "You have earned 160 XP today" (a few hours ago I finished unit 36). After clicking Continue I got the "2 daily quests complete," and finally, after the next Continue I got the blue screen where I can start the next round.

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Re: Did Duo just kill off the direct links to the old tree?

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@Corinnebelle

gmads wrote: Tue Mar 21, 2023 11:52 pm

About half-way I got the "Nice job! Here's 20 XP" screen.

By the way, it's almost always after this halfway screen that the synchronization between the Duolingo answered sentence and the Duome generated thread is lost.

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Re: Did Duo just kill off the direct links to the old tree?

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gmads wrote: Tue Mar 21, 2023 11:57 pm

@Corinnebelle

gmads wrote: Tue Mar 21, 2023 11:52 pm

About half-way I got the "Nice job! Here's 20 XP" screen.

By the way, it's almost always after this halfway screen that the synchronization between the Duolingo answered sentence and the Duome generated thread is lost.

Ah, does it only happen with legendary or at other times too?

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Re: Did Duo just kill off the direct links to the old tree?

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Corinnebelle wrote: Wed Mar 22, 2023 12:12 am
gmads wrote: Tue Mar 21, 2023 11:57 pm

@Corinnebelle

gmads wrote: Tue Mar 21, 2023 11:52 pm

About half-way I got the "Nice job! Here's 20 XP" screen.

By the way, it's almost always after this halfway screen that the synchronization between the Duolingo answered sentence and the Duome generated thread is lost.

Ah, does it only happen with legendary or at other times too?

I don't know because I am only working with my already finished eng–ita course. I am doing legendary to review each unit.

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Re: Did Duo just kill off the direct links to the old tree?

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gmads wrote: Tue Mar 21, 2023 11:52 pm

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gmads wrote: Tue Mar 21, 2023 11:04 pm

I am about to start unit 37, so, as I said, "I'll try to check and see" how things behave.

My current stats are:

  • 149095 XP (#276750) • crowns: 325 • streak: 31 (+1269) • lingots: 9813 (#67598)

I just finished the first round and these are my current numbers:

  • 149135 XP (#276732) • crowns: 325 • streak: 31 (+1269) • lingots: 9813 (#67598)

So, the only thing that changed, was the XP.

About half-way I got the "Nice job! Here's 20 XP" screen. Once I finished the round, I got the "You have earned 160 XP today" (a few hours ago I finished unit 36). After clicking Continue I got the "2 daily quests complete," and finally, after the next Continue I got the blue screen where I can start the next round.

unit-37_1.png


Are you doing these from the Snake or from the url? Cause I definitely can't do the next round from the Snake without lingots.

I'm kind of losing the drift here of what exactly we're testing LOL. :D

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Re: Did Duo just kill off the direct links to the old tree?

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JudieLC wrote: Wed Mar 22, 2023 1:49 am
gmads wrote: Tue Mar 21, 2023 11:52 pm

@JudieLC

gmads wrote: Tue Mar 21, 2023 11:04 pm

I am about to start unit 37, so, as I said, "I'll try to check and see" how things behave.

My current stats are:

  • 149095 XP (#276750) • crowns: 325 • streak: 31 (+1269) • lingots: 9813 (#67598)

I just finished the first round and these are my current numbers:

  • 149135 XP (#276732) • crowns: 325 • streak: 31 (+1269) • lingots: 9813 (#67598)

So, the only thing that changed, was the XP.

About half-way I got the "Nice job! Here's 20 XP" screen. Once I finished the round, I got the "You have earned 160 XP today" (a few hours ago I finished unit 36). After clicking Continue I got the "2 daily quests complete," and finally, after the next Continue I got the blue screen where I can start the next round.

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Are you doing these from the Snake or from the url? Cause I definitely can't do the next round from the Snake without lingots.

I'm kind of losing the drift here of what exactly we're testing LOL. :D

From the URL. From the "file with all the links to the snake components." It is displayed on the first image.

Well, I'd say I am trying to help by describing my setup, how I work, the screens and messages I get, and how my stats change.

I guess it will be at the end of the unit that the lingot count will change.

I can try and do Unit 38 directly from the snake, though I don't think anything will change, but it might be worth trying.

I think that given all the changes Duo has been going through, their system must definitely be in a state of complete chaos. So, I would say that should explain your case. Another thing to consider is that the system works differently depending on the device used.

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Re: Did Duo just kill off the direct links to the old tree?

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gmads wrote: Wed Mar 22, 2023 2:06 am
JudieLC wrote: Wed Mar 22, 2023 1:49 am
gmads wrote: Tue Mar 21, 2023 11:52 pm

@JudieLC

I just finished the first round and these are my current numbers:

  • 149135 XP (#276732) • crowns: 325 • streak: 31 (+1269) • lingots: 9813 (#67598)

So, the only thing that changed, was the XP.

About half-way I got the "Nice job! Here's 20 XP" screen. Once I finished the round, I got the "You have earned 160 XP today" (a few hours ago I finished unit 36). After clicking Continue I got the "2 daily quests complete," and finally, after the next Continue I got the blue screen where I can start the next round.

unit-37_1.png


Are you doing these from the Snake or from the url? Cause I definitely can't do the next round from the Snake without lingots.

I'm kind of losing the drift here of what exactly we're testing LOL. :D

From the URL. From the "file with all the links to the snake components." It is displayed on the first image.

Well, I'd say I am trying to help by describing my setup, how I work, the screens and messages I get, and how my stats change.

I guess it will be at the end of the unit that the lingot count will change.

I can try and do Unit 38 directly from the snake, though I don't think anything will change, but it might be worth trying.

I think that given all the changes Duo has been going through, their system must definitely be in a state of complete chaos. So, I would say that should explain your case. Another thing to consider is that the system works differently depending on the device used.

When I get 10 lingots, I can test whether DL will deduct them when I launch legendary challenges from the url.

Right now I have 1 lingot. :D

Makes me long for the days when people used to be able to give you lingots. ;)
Don't think that's possible anymore. :D

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Re: Did Duo just kill off the direct links to the old tree?

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gmads wrote: Tue Mar 21, 2023 11:52 pm
gmads wrote: Tue Mar 21, 2023 11:04 pm

My current stats are:

  • 149095 XP (#276750) • crowns: 325 • streak: 31 (+1269) • lingots: 9813 (#67598)

I just finished the first round and these are my current numbers:

* 149135 XP (#276732) • crowns: 325 • streak: 31 (+1269) • lingots: 9813 (#67598)

So, the only thing that changed, was the XP.

It's very interesting. What browser are you using? Do you see the same number of lingots on your Duolingo homepage? Do/did you have a Plus/Super/Family free trial / 3-day trial / paid ? Or didn't you get 10 lingots for completing a task/quest? Please let us know when you make more legendary lessons. And also try to start a legendary lesson from the Snake. Track the status of lingots on your Duolingo home page after refreshing. Normally, 10 lingots are deducted within a minute of completing a legendary lesson launched this way.

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Re: Did Duo just kill off the direct links to the old tree?

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DaliborNovy wrote: Wed Mar 22, 2023 8:10 am

What browser are you using?
Chrome, Version 111.0.5563.65 (Official Build) (64-bit)

Do you see the same number of lingots on your Duolingo homepage?
Let me see... yes... save the crowns, which do not appear anymore (or I don't see them), xp, lingots and streak are exactly the same

Do/did you have a Plus/Super/Family free trial / 3-day trial / paid ?
Nope, since the very beginning I have just the "free" service

Or didn't you get 10 lingots for completing a task/quest?
I don't know; not since I started to keep an eye on this (starting a new unit and having the first round), only the XP seem to have changed

Please let us know when you make more legendary lessons.
I think it will be better to comment once I finish the unit, since numbers do not seem to change after each round. But if they do, I will then comment it here

And also try to start a legendary lesson from the Snake.
Ok. I was thinking last night that it is only that first time that I start a unit, that I do it from my web page (the one with the links), once the legendary has started I always keep on just pressing the Continue button because I keep the page open until I finish the unit

Track the status of lingots on your Duolingo home page after refreshing.
Ok, I'll do

Normally, 10 lingots are deducted within a minute of completing a legendary lesson launched this way.

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I just finished the second round. The green owl said that I had earned six lingots (see image) but the lingot count only went up by one :cry:

dateunit 37, roundXPcrownsstreaklingots
23.03.211st, start149095 (#276750)32531 (+1269)9813 (#67598)
23.03.211st, finish149135 (#276732)32531 (+1269)9813 (#67598)
23.03.222nd, finish149175 (#277182)32532 (+1269)9814 (#67603)


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@gmads If it's possible you earned 5 lingots yesterday, it seems you pay 5 lingots for a Legendary lesson launched this way.

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DaliborNovy wrote: Wed Mar 22, 2023 7:10 pm

@gmads If it's possible you earned 5 lingots yesterday, it seems you pay 5 lingots for a Legendary lesson launched this way.

If so, it's a bargain. I have to pay 10. ;)

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DaliborNovy wrote: Wed Mar 22, 2023 7:10 pm

@gmads If it's possible you earned 5 lingots yesterday, it seems you pay 5 lingots for a Legendary lesson launched this way.

LOL! I don't know. That could be it. Not from yesterday but from today. This round I just did it, so 13 + 6 - 5... just 14.

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JudieLC wrote: Wed Mar 22, 2023 7:15 pm
DaliborNovy wrote: Wed Mar 22, 2023 7:10 pm

@gmads If it's possible you earned 5 lingots yesterday, it seems you pay 5 lingots for a Legendary lesson launched this way.

If so, it's a bargain. I have to pay 10. ;)

Green owl grime! Taking away so many lingots from you! We'll have to strangle it! 😂

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I have finished the fifth round. Once again the green owl said that I had earned six lingots (see image) but now the lingot count only went up by five :|

And it wants to teach math? :roll:

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dateunit 37, roundXPcrownsstreaklingots
23.03.211st, start149095 (#276750)32531 (+1269)9813 (#67598)
23.03.211st, finish149135 (#276732)32531 (+1269)9813 (#67598)
23.03.222nd, finish149175 (#277182)32532 (+1269)9814 (#67603)
23.03.223th, finish149215 (#277331)32532 (+1269)9814 (#67613)
23.03.224th, finish149255 (#277286)32532 (+1269)9814 (#67614)
23.03.235th, finish149295 (#277274)32533 (+1269)9819 (#67561)


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@gmads OK, it seems that some strange artificial intelligence has entered Duolingo. Last experiment, please launch the Legendary lesson from the Snake.

:-) Yes, Duolingo aims to teach everything, one day.

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DaliborNovy wrote: Thu Mar 23, 2023 11:31 am

@gmads OK, it seems that some strange artificial intelligence has entered Duolingo. Last experiment, please launch the Legendary lesson from the Snake.

:-) Yes, Duolingo aims to teach everything, one day.

Explain, please.

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DaliborNovy wrote: Thu Mar 23, 2023 11:31 am

@gmads OK, Last experiment, please launch the Legendary lesson from the Snake.

That will have to be until I start the next unit.

I still stand by the idea that everything is erratic, so trying to deduce anything about its workings is basically futile, but let's keep on digging and see what comes up.

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I just finished the sixth round. Now the green owl didn't say anything, but the number of lingots increased by six, however, only momentarily: after a few seconds it went down to the original count of 19.

dateunit 37, roundXPcrownsstreaklingots
23.03.211st, start149095 (#276750)32531 (+1269)9813 (#67598)
23.03.211st, finish149135 (#276732)32531 (+1269)9813 (#67598)
23.03.222nd, finish149175 (#277182)32532 (+1269)9814 (#67603)
23.03.223th, finish149215 (#277331)32532 (+1269)9814 (#67613)
23.03.224th, finish149255 (#277286)32532 (+1269)9814 (#67614)
23.03.235th, finish149295 (#277274)32533 (+1269)9819 (#67561)
23.03.236th, finish149335 (#277330)32533 (+1269)9819 (#67578)


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I have finished Unit 37. Not much to talk about.

dateunit 37, roundXPcrownsstreaklingots
23.03.211st, start149095 (#276750)32531 (+1269)9813 (#67598)
23.03.211st, finish149135 (#276732)32531 (+1269)9813 (#67598)
23.03.222nd, finish149175 (#277182)32532 (+1269)9814 (#67603)
23.03.223th, finish149215 (#277331)32532 (+1269)9814 (#67613)
23.03.224th, finish149255 (#277286)32532 (+1269)9814 (#67614)
23.03.235th, finish149295 (#277274)32533 (+1269)9819 (#67561)
23.03.236th, finish149335 (#277330)32533 (+1269)9819 (#67578)
23.03.238th, finish149415 (#277293)32533 (+1269)9819 (#67600)


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Starting unit 38, directly from the "learn" page: clicked on the Level up button, etc.

The only "strange" thing I noticed is that all the created threads always corresponded to the sentence being answered.

After finishing the first round, I was told that I had earned 1 lingot, and so I did.

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23.03.241st, finish1494559820


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OK, thank you @gmads. I think we can make a conclusion :-) There really is an A/B testing group that has Legendary lessons lingot-free. And when you launch the Legendary lesson in the non standard way, the data synchronization is unstable. A bit worse situation is after completing the special Challenge lesson, where the master and slave hardly communicate at all.

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Finished unit 38, which I started directly from the page as required, and not from my usual way of starting the Snake, that is, via a link from a local html page.

Once again, I received a total of 6 lingots after finishing the whole legendary level, however, in this occasion the lingots awarded were exactly what I was told I would receive. At any moment the number of lingots in my account behaved erratically (e.g. going up and then down): they always went up.

Apart from that, I didn't really notice anything particularly different in the way each round went through. I'll start unit 39 the same way, from the Snake itself.

dateroundXPlingots
23.03.238th, finish u371494159819
23.03.241st, finish1494559820
23.03.242nd, finish1494959820
23.03.243th, finish1495359820
23.03.244th, finish1495759820
23.03.245th, finish1496159820
23.03.246th, finish1496559822
23.03.247th, finish1496959825
23.03.248th, finish u381497559825

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Post by gmads »

Finished unit 39, which I also started directly from the page.

This time, I received 6 lingots after finishing the fifth round (for a total of 9831), however, at DL the count dropped almost immediately to 9828, and a few seconds later, to 9827. For the first time (as far as I have noticed), the count between DM and DL is not synchronized: Duome says I have 9828 lingots.

Without a doubt, all this is total chaos.

dateroundXPlingots
23.03.248th, finish u381497559825
23.03.241st, finish1497959825
23.03.242nd, finish1498359825
23.03.243th, finish1498759825
23.03.254th, finish1499159825
23.03.255th, finish149955dl:9827, dm:9828
23.03.256th, finish149995dl:9827, dm:9828
23.03.257th, finish150055dl:9827, dm:9828
23.03.258th, finish u39150095dl:9827, dm:9828


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Re: Did Duo just kill off the direct links to the old tree?

Post by DaliborNovy »

@gmads I suppose, you have never seen this screen:
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Am I right? Normally, it appears when you confirm the start of the next Legendary round. So I guess, if it doesn't appear, it's the same as if you started the lesson using the direct URL with similar behavior. Maybe some old cookies cause it, but more likely you're in the test group I mentioned (and Duo may have already forgotten about it - therefore the strange calculations). I don't want you to delete your cookies because you might lose this your Legendary-lingot-free possibility. But would you test one Legendary lesson in a non-Chromium browser, e.g. Firefox? Or on another computer? Then we would be sure.

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