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Do you know Ladino?

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IceVajal
Germany

Do you know Ladino?

Post by IceVajal »

I never heard about Ladino before I stumbled upon this article!

https://www.euronews.com/culture/2022/0 ... extinction

One more language which is close to extinction... We all should learn a language which will vanish soon, if nobody is learning it!

Edit: I'm a curious person, so I was looking for more information and found this article:

https://www.myjewishlearning.com/articl ... ut-ladino/

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Explorer
Portugal

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I knew it and I can understand almost everything. A very interesting language that was spoken by the Jew community in Spain before they were expelled by the Catholic monarchs in the fifteenth century. It's amazing that their descendants have preserved the language after so many years. It sounds a bit like old Spanish.

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IceVajal
Germany

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I thought it's interesting and as one day I want to learn Spanish and thought about Yiddish.... But who knows.
What surprised me most, that it's about people in Greece speaking it and that I never read about it before.

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Explorer
Portugal

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The Royal Spanish Academy, the main institution which establishes and reinforces the use of the Spanish language worldwide, announced the creation of the National Ladino Academy in Israel.

“The creation of this academy in Israel will be an extraordinary step that will not only serve to boost philological studies on Judeo-Spanish, but will give it greater prestige in Spain, in Israel, and in Spanish-speaking countries”, said the Israeli ambassador in Spain, Daniel Kutner.

Source: https://esefarad.com/?p=81859

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Portugal

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Corinnebelle

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Ladino was the trade language in southern Europe while Yiddish flourished in central Europe.

[mention]IceVajal[/mention] If you learn Ladino, it is a dialect of Spanish so should be understandable to Spanish speakers.

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IceVajal
Germany

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[mention]Corinnebelle[/mention], first I have to get Russian to upper intermediate before I consider starting Spanish, but one day....

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[mention]IceVajal[/mention] I corrected my comment.

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EranBarLev
Israel

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Corinnebelle wrote: Sun May 29, 2022 10:12 pm

@IceVajal If you learn Ladino, it is a dialect of Spanish so should be understandable to Spanish speakers.

I never learned Ladino, but after learning Spanish I can understand about 95%. So I think it should be considered a dialect of Spanish. The main difference is the pronunciation of the J like in French.

Here are some famous traditional Ladino songs:

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IceVajal
Germany

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Thanks for sharing!

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Corinnebelle

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[mention]EranBarLev[/mention] They seem to still have a Jewish flavor in spite of being in a different language. I heard avinu in the first one.

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HeavenBender
United States of America

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Thank you so much for this post. Those were really interesting articles you shared. I never expected a Romance language similar to Spanish to be endangered. In order for a language to remain truly alive, not only do there need to be people alive who know the language, but there also need to be native speakers of the language. However, extinct languages are ones that are not spoken nor studied by any. So yeah, as long as we can get people to start learning Ladino, we can prevent it from becoming extinct. Whether we can save it from being dead or not, however, relies on having native speakers of Ladino. It depends on what linguists precisely define as a "native speaker", but I would assume that a native is just someone who starts speaking a language from birth. So I would say teaching Ladino to future generations of learners of the language would save the language from dying. However, I don't know if the definition involves the parents being native speakers as well or not.

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panyamnyenyekevu
Ukraine

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Cool article. So is it safe to say that Ladino is a Spanish-Hebrew hybrid the way Yiddish is a German-Hebrew hybrid? Makes me wonder if there might have been other similar hybrids. French-Hebrew?! Polish-Hebrew?!

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panyamnyenyekevu
Ukraine

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Googling ladino yiddish I find an article called “ From Ladino to Bukhori: Jewish Languages Around the World.”

https://www.eldridgestreet.org/blog/fro ... the-world/

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IceVajal
Germany

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[mention]panyamnyenyekevu[/mention] , thanks for the link! I'll read it later!

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panyamnyenyekevu
Ukraine

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panyamnyenyekevu wrote: Thu Jun 02, 2022 2:27 pm

Cool article. So is it safe to say that Ladino is a Spanish-Hebrew hybrid the way Yiddish is a German-Hebrew hybrid? Makes me wonder if there might have been other similar hybrids. French-Hebrew?! Polish-Hebrew?!

In fact there was a French-Hebrew, as mentioned at the end of the article.

“Others currently surviving include Judeo-Aramaic, Judeo-Median, Judeo-Berber, and more, while languages such as Yevanic (Judeo-Greek), Judeo-Italian and Judeo French flourished in the past but have long since disappeared from regular use. “

Looking a little further, I see “French-Hebrew” or Zarphatic was around from the 11th to the 14th c.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zarphatic_language

I think I’ll start a separate thread for Jewish World languages.

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IceVajal
Germany

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panyamnyenyekevu wrote: Fri Jun 03, 2022 1:48 pm

I think I’ll start a separate thread for Jewish World languages.

Great idea! A place to get all the varieties of Jewish languages and culture at once!

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IceVajal
Germany

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Here is another article about Ladino, this time more focussed on the culture which was almost erased.

https://www.myjewishlearning.com/articl ... holocaust/

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IceVajal
Germany

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One more article (with links) about Ladino!

https://www.myjewishlearning.com/articl ... ut-ladino/

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IceVajal
Germany

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As it's the holiday season.... Not just Christmas, it's Hanukkah, too.

Kveller.com: This Ladino Hanukkah Song Is Such a Bop.
https://www.kveller.com/this-ladino-han ... uch-a-bop/

For the ones who aren't interested in the article, here is the video.

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JudieLC
United States of America

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The Ladino language is beautiful and I love the music. I can understand a lot of it because of my Spanish. I have some relatives who speak it, but I never learned it from them.

The first song @EranBarLev linked, "Rey Nimrod" was the first Ladino song that I thought of when I saw there was a thread here about Ladino.

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IceVajal wrote: Sun May 29, 2022 9:46 am

I never heard about Ladino before I stumbled upon this article!

https://www.euronews.com/culture/2022/0 ... extinction

One more language which is close to extinction... We all should learn a language which will vanish soon, if nobody is learning it!

Edit: I'm a curious person, so I was looking for more information and found this article:

https://www.myjewishlearning.com/articl ... ut-ladino/

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IceVajal
Germany

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@Mixcoatl, that's always a problem when you search for something rare and/or something with an almost identical name.

To be honest, I've never heard of Ladin. Can you tell me a bit about it?

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IceVajal wrote: Sun May 29, 2022 9:46 am

I never heard about Ladino before I stumbled upon this article!

https://www.euronews.com/culture/2022/0 ... extinction

One more language which is close to extinction... We all should learn a language which will vanish soon, if nobody is learning it!

Edit: I'm a curious person, so I was looking for more information and found this article:

https://www.myjewishlearning.com/articl ... ut-ladino/

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Last edited by Deleted User 5705 on Thu Sep 28, 2023 3:32 pm, edited 1 time in total.
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IceVajal
Germany

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@Mixcoatl, thanks for the link. So far I didn't take a closer look at Ladino. But perhaps one day....

Usually it's a good idea to search eBay for foreign language books... I even found some stuff in Ladino, but as this isn't a near future project....

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