finnintrov wrote: ↑Sun Jan 29, 2023 4:34 pm
- The reason for your lost progress is because this DOES NOT SYNC with the workaround website internal-duolingo.com.
The www-internal website definitive has sync issues with the mobile Android app.
My two completed German checkpoints and owl (from finishing it on the www-internal web) don't synchronize that well with the app.
App V5.52.5:
- I don't have the owl at the bottom (DE<-EN course is marked as finished on Duome progress page).
- Section #5 skills are all grey and un-completed and not crown level 1 (only two skills are unlocked and purple)
- Checkpoint #5 is seen as complete (I can click Practice) and
- Checkpoint #6 is not registered here as the final end (owl) and
- all Section #6 skills are still un-completed and not crown level 1
The CP #5 URL https://www.duolingo.com/checkpoint/de/4/bigtest (or www-internal) is being ignored now.
finnintrov wrote: ↑Sun Jan 29, 2023 4:34 pm
- You will be able to use your keyboard once you reach level 3 for each skill. 0,1,2 = word bank
Not exactly, or maybe this is also a bit account specific or language course dependent.
Surprisingly, Android V5.52.5 app sometimes gives me typing access including random exercises in the target language (e.g Portuguese).
Have been working a bit on L2 crown level Present 1-3 verb and Infinitive 1-3 skills.
So I can finally say, despite common knowledge from the community and I always was under the same impression myself from earlier app tests in 2017/18, that L2 crown skills won't force you into word banks, not all the time.
Some examples:
Harder challenge:
1 speak
2 cloze-deletion target
3 speak
4 cloze-deletion target
5 speak
6 listen and type with keyboard (target)
7 speak
8 translate into target
9 speak
10 translate into target
11 listen and type with keyboard (target)
12 translate into target
13 translate into target
14 translate into target
15 translate into target
16 translate into target
17 translate into target
18 translate into target
Will need to repeat this as I have not carefully written down, but translate doesn't mean word banks AFAICR.
Normal lesson (Present 3)
1 translate with forced word bank into English
2 speak
3 translate with forced word bank into English
4 speak
5 translate with forced word bank into English
6 speak
7 translate with forced word bank into English
8 listen and fill blank in target (cloze-deletion)
9 speak
10 translate with forced word bank into English
11 translate with typing (keyboard, offered word bank toggle) into target
12 listen and fill blank in target (cloze-deletion)
13 translate with typing (keyboard, offered word bank toggle) into target
14 listen and fill blank in target (cloze-deletion)
15 translate with typing (keyboard, offered word bank toggle) into target
16 translate with typing (forced keyboard, no toggle) into target (wrong)
17 Marked hard exercise: translate with typing (forced keyboard, no toggle) into target
18 repeat translate with typing (forced keyboard, no toggle) into target
Normal lesson Present 3 verbs skill (speaking and listening turned off)
1 translate with forced word bank into English
2 translate with typing (keyboard, offered word bank toggle) into target
3 translate with forced word bank into English
4 translate with typing (keyboard, offered word bank toggle) into target
5 translate with forced word bank into English
6 translate with typing (keyboard, offered word bank toggle) into target
7 translate with forced word bank into English
8 translate with typing (keyboard, offered word bank toggle) into target
9 translate with forced word bank into English
10 translate with typing (keyboard, offered word bank toggle) into target
11 translate with forced word bank into English
12 translate with typing (keyboard, offered word bank toggle) into target
13 translate with forced word bank into English
14 translate with typing (keyboard, offered word bank toggle) into target
15 translate with forced word bank into English
16 Marked hard exercise: translate with typing (forced keyboard, no toggle) into target (wrong)
17 Marked hard exercise: translate with typing (forced keyboard, no toggle) into target
18 Repeat Marked hard exercise: translate with typing (forced keyboard, no toggle) into target
Normal lesson Present 3 (speaking and listening turned off)
1 translate with forced word bank into English
2 translate with typing (keyboard, offered word bank toggle) into target
3 translate with forced word bank into English (wrong)
4 translate with forced word bank into English
5 translate with typing (keyboard, offered word bank toggle) into target
6 translate with forced word bank into English (repeat)
7 translate with typing (keyboard, offered word bank toggle) into target
8 translate with forced word bank into English
9 translate with typing (keyboard, offered word bank toggle) into target (wrong)
10 translate with forced word bank into English
11 translate with typing (keyboard, offered word bank toggle) into target (wong)
12 translate with forced word bank into English
13 translate with typing (keyboard, offered word bank toggle) into target
14 translate with forced word bank into English
15 translate with typing (keyboard, offered word bank toggle) into target
16 translate with forced word bank into English
17 translate with typing (keyboard, offered word bank toggle) into target (repeat f. wrong answer)
18 translate with typing (keyboard, offered word bank toggle) into target (repeat)
19 translate with typing (keyboard, offered word bank toggle) into target (repeat)
20 translate with typing (keyboard, offered word bank toggle) into target (repeat)
21 translate with typing (keyboard, offered word bank toggle) into target (repeat)
22 translate with typing (keyboard, offered word bank toggle) into target (repeat)
Summary for Android V5.52.5:
Green L2 crown skills also offer typing.
I get many TARGET language translations, which is good.
Hard challenges or marked hard exercises won't offer you a word bank but FORCE you into typing, in the TARGET language. Great for me (a long-term PT learner), but probably not much fun for a dyslexic person.
Offered "Hard challenges" (you can either accept or deny) will be almost impossible for a Dyslexic to complete or these persons with a learning disability may need to use Android's Gboard internal "Voice to text / Speech to text" mic dictation; but I more often need to correct the text several times and sometimes the spoken amd well detected text gets changed to some nonsense afterwards and words which obviously don't exist in the configured language.
Using a single language and not multi-language typing makes the voice mic detection more accurate.
Snake comparison:
Unit 49 Infinitives on the Web (Chrome Dev vs FF Nightly mobile+web) gave me only word banks (see the new Web bug report for missing typing option) for all questions, for 2 lessons.
The translation direction when starting a new snake lesson was ALWAYS (for all!) into English.
Makes no sense for a long-term Portuguese learner that way. This is just a true beginner option, not to scare them away immediately.
Additional note:
I have no idea how three independent PT Infinitive1-3 skills (tree) can only map onto one Unit 49 Infinitive description.
The browser search function is also broken on the snake. Only 4 to 5 matches are found for keyword "Unit".
finnintrov wrote: ↑Sun Jan 29, 2023 4:34 pm
- Below are info about other versions if anyone is curious
- 5.7.x = friend quest available, LOWER xp points, zulu course. Old tree for SOME people, some still got snake
- 5.6.x = Double experience x 2 times a day. >20xp / lesson completed.
-. Below 5.6 = No double experience
- 4.x version = No legendary levels. 1 LESS lesson for each skill than the app just like the old website. BUT show red lingots instead of blue which I find more pleasant.
V5.52.5 (16. April 2022) will give you:
- old trees
- purple L6 crown Legendary skills: I do see the first 4 in my Portuguese course, don't have more
- sometimes you'll see the bonus skill row, sometimes it simply disappears
- leveled up purple Legendary bonus skill "Christmas" recently disappeared from the bonus row in my PT course
- Double experience only for next 15 minutes once the last skill lesson is getting completed and you start a new lesson: But I don't get it for specific time deadlines (early riser) like you described with V5.6.x
- Harder lesson, double XP popups (next lesson double XP if you accept the challenge)
- blue Gems on the app
- access to Lightning round and Ramp Up challenge (best used with a registered teacher account in a created school classroom which excludes you from A/B testing and only gives you stable trees for ALL languages, on the whole account)
I can't say for sure if anything improves with Android app 5.6.x or 5.7.x for new features as long as the old tree design could be maintained.
But I doubt there will be heavy improvements for "toggle keyboard" or translation direction switches for L2 or lower L1/L0 crown levels?
All in all 5.52.5 doesn't work too bad. I think I can suggest it to you.
But will have to recheck lower L0 and L1 crown levels how the app exactly behaves (on my account).
With that knowledge maybe it indeed makes sense to start the DE->FR contributor course on the old tree design as a web alternative.
If I never have to translate into French (with tapping or typing) then it would get a bit boring with one year French under my belt.
I don't want be to forced to type that much in my native German language; that's IMHO the wrong translation direction.
Tapping of German word banks is IMHO extremely pointless, for English or Portuguese this would be more bearable but means another course.