Nathalie wrote: ↑Mon May 08, 2023 6:37 pm
and can't even tell it's the tree or the snake that I have.
The path got rolled out in January 2023 to all users (on IOS, Web) or even November 2022, was originally planned at the earlier date.
Some users got it earlier in summer 2022 while it was being A/B tested.
Most recent app versions from the Google Play or Apple stores only use the path/snake.
Nathalie wrote: ↑Mon May 08, 2023 6:37 pm
One thing I truly appreciate is DL app on iPhone.
The IOS platform is staff's favourite testing horse.
You will often find new stuff there first which was not developed for the Web or Android, much earlier.
This can be good, or quite bad.
Many users complained that staff suddenly had removed the toggle keyboard button on the IOS app 2-3 years ago and option was NOT always available for all questions.
This is a clear example how it can backfire when an app auto updates too soon.
Way too much nonsense got reimplemented on the Web portal, coming from their two mobile platforms.
Like this match exercises, removed typing, etc.
Nathalie wrote: ↑Mon May 08, 2023 6:37 pm
The units in the app are numbered completely different from Mac and Android, which confused me at first, but after I learned to ignore it, I saw that the sections clearly indicate the CEFR level (or at least, DL's equivalence). For instance, sections 1-3 are A1; section 4 is A2; section 5-6 are B1; section 7-8 are B2.
I don't see these IOS sections.
Originally on the old tree the CEFR mapping of sections and checkpoints followed this declaration (slightly different, A2 up to CP #5, B1 starting CP #6):
https://duolingo.hobune.stream/comment/ ... ed-courses
Will have to check if this old cached Url might work.
There also was a CEFR blog article earlier (for the tree).
In general there is less B2 stuff, B1 spanned 2+ sections and A2 was divided into two sections for A2.1 and A2.2.
If they (staff) have pressed the A2 content into only one path category instead of two, well, then let it be like this. World won't go under.
School classrooms (for the Web) don't show the new IOS category names to me.
Nathalie wrote: ↑Mon May 08, 2023 6:37 pm
It helps me to see my progress more concretely
Yes I understand.
Same category filtering was happening on the Busuu web portal (+IOS app).
Unfortunately they removed the very best sub view layout (how a lesson/topic is splitted into sub modules/different exercises) and it seems they're rolling it out with important things removed to newer Busuu Android app versions.
Now every Busuu Android user is screaming they want it back.
No idea why they didn't listen to me only to pick the category list filtering and new checkpoints, but to leave the lesson sub menu with separate buttons to start modules or to review exercises.
Nathalie wrote: ↑Mon May 08, 2023 6:37 pm
and best of all, it tells me ahead which grammar concept is to be covered in each section.
Grammar is my love so every day I feels a boost just from seeing the word "subjunctive" in my current section (such a nerd I am.)
You would have loved the OLD volunteer contributor French tree3 which was in A/B testing in 2018.
CEFR course redesign moved away from strict grammar drilling and focuses now on 5000-6000+ vocabulary.
Skill/topic names on the old tree got some theme oriented names and dedicated verb tense skills or Subjunctive drills got removed and content merged into the CEFR skills.
There is a clear shift.
Staff obviously has always hated the very detailed grammar Web T&N from volunteers, so now you don't know in a French or Spanish tree what is exactly hidden behind a meaningless skill name.
Exception to this are the new grammar skill names like Sub1-3, Past tense 1-8.
They couldn't/didn't want to give it concrete Past names like Simple, Imperfect, Present Perfect, Future Perfect, Passé Composé,...
Single circles (now called levels on a path) had a specific longer name both on the app and the web.
My Portuguese old tree has four dedicated Subjunctive skills with full sentence translations, not only filling out verb conjugation tables.
The laddering PT->FR tree has multiple verb tense skills top, even Subjunctive Preterito Perfeito / Imperfect which DE->FR is missing.
So I/we can directly pick what we want to practice, level up (crown levels 1-5 + Legendary), finish first crown level, review later,...
The DE->FR is based on a clearer grammar focus and "only" has roughly over 120 skills.
This means you don't need to wade 3.8+ years or longer -- as a TRUE French beginner -- through the Duolingo course to learn the basics and to get the bigger Romance grammar picture.
I don't think that I would be doing 6-10 lessons every day in a new French course.
But I will keep holding back from starting the ultra-long CEFR Spanish or French (from English) trees or paths before having completed other resources.
Honestly, I don't want to have to invest over 2-3 years just to getting introduced some Past and Future tenses and being complemented with B1 Subjunctive stuff much later.
Maybe I go with DE->FR or PT->FR; I'm not sure how much French content will be available on Fluyo during the 2023 Beta phase.
Kinda sucks that I got locked out at Busuu French A2 lesson 39. A lot of formal grammar stuff will show up.
Just can hope I find another affordable French alternative and Nextlingua fixes the font text size (Accessibility setting) as top texts in cloze-deletions are smaller than normal.
Now it really would it make sense (for me) to get going with the Duolingo tree3 from volunteer contributors but it's not coming back. Thank you staff.
Most CEFR content on Duolingo only makes use of implicit grammar usage.
But compared to Babbel, Busuu, Kwiziq & Co. Duolingo lacks clear formal teaching and grammar quizzes to measure your progress and accuracy scores.