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PtolemysXX
Uganda

Why is Dutch difficult to learn

Post by PtolemysXX »

[mention]Explorer[/mention] wrote in another thread (viewtopic.php?t=3442-your-languages ): “Dutch: one of the most difficult languages”.

I must agree. It is mainly due to the two following reasons:

  • Most Dutch-natives speak also fluent English if not more languages so for a foreigner to strike a conversation in Dutch it means that he/she would have to have a good command of Dutch already, otherwise the conversation will fall back to English due to the law of gravity. For a beginner it is a huge barrier.

  • Another reason is the plethora of dialects in the Netherlands that are so different from the standard ABN that are unintelligible for a foreigner making their first steps in the language.

I would love to hear from native Dutch speakers how you deal with the dialects. Can you speak each of you in your dialect and will be understood everywhere in the country or do you need to switch to ABN when travelling to places like Friesland or Limburg?

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IceVajal
Germany

Re: Why is Dutch difficult to learn

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I'm German and so Dutch is easy to understand, especially if one speaks English, too.

If you like to listen to podcasts, I recommend "Zeg het in het Nederlands" as it's for language learners. It's about the Netherlands and it's culture.

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weerwater

Re: Why is Dutch difficult to learn

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Ik zal dit in het Nederlands beantwoorden:

Dat het gebruik van de Engelse taal de voorkeur krijgt is zeker een belemmering .

  • Maar u kunt altijd gewoon kenbaar maken dat u Nederlands wilt spreken. Dat zal dan zeker gerespecteerd worden.

Minder belemmerend zijn de dialecten in Nederland. Iedere Nederlander begrijpt, spreekt en schrijft de standaard taal.

  • Dialecten worden eigenlijk alleen gebruikt tussen streekgenoten. Hoewel kleine kinderen er automatisch vanuit zullen gaan dat ook u hun dialect begrijpt en spreekt, kunt ook met hen gewoon het best standaard Nederlands praten.

Mijn dialect heeft mij zelf nooit belemmerd.
Het dialect wat ik in mijn jeugd sprak valt onder het Oost-Vlaamse dialect. Toen ik eenmaal voor mijn studie verhuisde naar een andere streek heb ik besloten daar geen dialect te spreken en enkel het Nederlands nog te gebruiken. Mijn tongval verraad echter nog altijd waar ik geboren ben.

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SweNedGuy
Belgium

Re: Why is Dutch difficult to learn

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Het Youtube kanaal "Easy Dutch" is ook interessant als je nederlands wil leren. Er wordt uitsluitend nederlands gesproken, dus een basisniveau is wel aanbevolen. De videos zijn in het nederlands ondertiteld (als lezen beter lukt dan begrijpen.)

Noteer dat één van de hosts van 'Easy Dutch' een in Nederland wonende Duitser is.

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Corinnebelle

Re: Why is Dutch difficult to learn

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What is ABN?

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SweNedGuy
Belgium

Re: Why is Dutch difficult to learn

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Corinnebelle wrote: Mon Jan 16, 2023 11:41 pm

What is ABN?

An abbreviation for 'Algemeen (beschaafd) nederlands' or 'Common Dutch'. This means all words which can be used in the Netherlands and Flanders without being misunderstood.

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PtolemysXX
Uganda

Re: Why is Dutch difficult to learn

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weerwater wrote: Mon Jan 16, 2023 9:11 pm

Ik zal dit in het Nederlands beantwoorden:
(...)
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Dank u wel voor de opmerkingen in het Nederlands. Het is een goede oefening (ik heb enkele nieuwe woorden geleerd 😊) en dus probeer ik nu een paar zinnen Nederlands te schrijven. Het kanaal Easy Dutch vind ik uitstekend, hoewel helemaal niet „easy“, omdat ik de snelle spraak meestal niet kan volgen. Dankzij de ondertitel wordt het gemakkelijker. Ik hoop dat ik zoiets als „easy Dutch“ ook in andere talen zal kunnen vinden…

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IceVajal
Germany

Re: Why is Dutch difficult to learn

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If reading is easier for you, I use the app 'Nederland Kranten', even if not every article is for free, there is a lot to read.

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Thomas.Heiss
Germany

Re: Why is Dutch difficult to learn

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Isn't the Duolingo Dutch course as well using those TTS comic character voices?

Busuu offers a Dutch course too, incl. Business Dutch.
Should be native speaker recordings (can't add/try it on my Non-Premium account).

I've written about a few facts on Busuu which I've been mainly using so far to learn French: viewtopic.php?p=36982-language-app-benchmarks#p36982

There is a Dutch Pronunciation course as well.
The French Pronunciation course has 8 short lessons.

The Android app uses the old lesson layout; the Web portal now uses Cefr filters for separately visible course parts, Checkpoints and locked next lessons.
Which means I'm now often locked out as I won't upload any French speaking or writing exercises for community reviews.

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PtolemysXX
Uganda

Re: Why is Dutch difficult to learn

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Thomas.Heiss wrote: Sat Jan 21, 2023 11:25 pm

Isn't the Duolingo Dutch course as well using those TTS comic character voices?

The Dutch course has one male and one female voice. I like them. They are plane voices with no emotions, gasping or alike. They are not related to the Duolingo cartoon figures. Overall I am very happy with the course. It is more comprehensive than the average (123 "old" skills), well balanced, the vocabulary is good, not too much nonsense. The database for acceptable translations is set up well, for example you can translate English "you" to either singular or plural form and it will be accepted.

So far I have enjoyed the course and will stick around with it...

Thomas.Heiss wrote: Sat Jan 21, 2023 11:25 pm

Busuu offers a Dutch course too

... as long as Duolingo does not lock me out of the "tree" completely (I still use it on Android). Should that happen I'll be gone next day, Busuu might be a good choice

Thomas.Heiss wrote: Sat Jan 21, 2023 11:25 pm

incl. Business Dutch.

I am not so much interested in business language, I am on a technical path, I rather need stuff like pumps, valves, drives, control systems, adjustments, setpoints ;)

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