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an attempt to learn Polish with words I have an association with

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MoniqueMaRie
Germany

an attempt to learn Polish with words I have an association with

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I briefly thought about which Polish words have stuck in my mind, even though I haven't practised Polish for a while and my knowledge is close to zero.
They are mainly words that are similar to English (or German, which is actually closer to me)

My breakfast is secured with
herbata (czarna)
musli
mleko

Are there any words or phrases that you find particularly easy to remember?

I would like to use this post for playful learning. So please give me only tiny morsels at a time in your answers. My neurons can't process it otherwise.

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Davey944676
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"Sukienka" (a dress/frock) is an easy one for me to remember.

It's a beautiful word which actually sounds somehow silky and clingy, and the first related image I saw when searching for a declension table was a model in a beautiful, silky, clingy dress.

The word and image are now intertwined in my brain. :)

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Dana_Dany Danuta
Poland

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I think you should learn the basic phrases first because it is important! :)

  • cześć
  • witaj
  • do widzenia
  • dzień dobry
  • dobry wieczór
  • dobranoc
  • dziękuję (dzięki)
  • proszę
  • przepraszam
  • na zdrowie
  • smacznego
  • jak się masz?
  • na razie
  • która godzina?
  • ile to kosztuje?
  • tak
  • nie

Ja, też łatwiej zapamiętuję obce słowa, które brzmią podobne jak polskie i to jest normalne, bo szybciej kojarzysz to słowo, albo ma coś śmiesznego w swojej nazwie.

Moim ulubionym słowem w języku ukraińskim jest "сорочка" ( shirt ~ koszula ), bo kojarzy mi się z ptakiem "sroczką" - zdrobniale ( sroka ), albo w szwedzkim "och" ( and ~ i )

.... mam wiele takich słów w różnych językach, które szybko kojarzę i to jest fajne... ;)

edit:

Here are some examples of German words that sound like Polish.

  • die Kiwi – kiwi
  • die Banane – banan
  • die Gitarre – gitara
  • der Ballon – balon
  • der Handel – handel
  • der Kakao – kakao
  • der Monitor – monitor
  • der Zirkel – cyrkiel
  • die Musik – muzyka
  • der Salon – salon
  • der Computer – komputer
  • die Spaghetti – spagetti
  • der Test – test
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Dana_Dany Danuta
Poland

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Moniko, później możesz wybierać słowa z "Polish word list"... te których chciałabyś się nauczyć w dalszej kolejności, a mogą to być np osoby, zwierzęta, jedzenie ...

viewtopic.php?t=228-polish-word-list

.... dla mnie ten język jest zrozumiały i trudno mi jest określić, które słowa i zwroty są łatwe dla uczącego się, bo to zależy od indywidualnych predyspozycji danej osoby.... :)

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MoniqueMaRie
Germany

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Dana_Dany Danuta wrote: Thu Jul 21, 2022 12:10 pm

I think you should learn the basic phrases first because it is important! :)

  • cześć
  • witaj
  • do widzenia
  • dzień dobry
  • dobry wieczór
  • dobranoc
  • dziękuję (dzięki)
  • proszę
  • przepraszam
  • na zdrowie
  • smacznego
  • jak się masz?
  • na razie
  • która godzina?
  • ile to kosztuje?
  • tak
  • nie

As I was only sure of the first and the last two, I should probably start with the basics.

"Do widzenia" = "auf Wiedersehen" should not be too hard to remember as there is some similiarity between "widzenia" and "Wiedersehen".

So why couldn't I remember it?

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MoniqueMaRie
Germany

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Davey944676 wrote: Thu Jul 21, 2022 11:00 am

"Sukienka" (a dress/frock) is an easy one for me to remember.

It's a beautiful word which actually sounds somehow silky and clingy, and the first related image I saw when searching for a declension table was a model in a beautiful, silky, clingy dress.

The word and image are now intertwined in my brain. :)

Sukienka seems to be a good word for a start.
When I look at leo.org I find sukienka balowa, sukienka komunijna, sukienka mini, sukienka koktajlowa - all of them very easy to understand even without a further translation.

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Dana_Dany Danuta
Poland

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MoniqueMaRie wrote: Fri Jul 22, 2022 2:37 pm
Dana_Dany Danuta wrote: Thu Jul 21, 2022 12:10 pm

I think you should learn the basic phrases first because it is important! :)

  • cześć
  • witaj
  • do widzenia
  • dzień dobry
  • dobry wieczór
  • dobranoc
  • dziękuję (dzięki)
  • proszę
  • przepraszam
  • na zdrowie
  • smacznego
  • jak się masz?
  • na razie
  • która godzina?
  • ile to kosztuje?
  • tak
  • nie

As I was only sure of the first and the last two, I should probably start with the basics.

"Do widzenia" = "auf Wiedersehen" should not be too hard to remember as there is some similiarity between "widzenia" and "Wiedersehen".

So why couldn't I remember it?

Maybe because this is the beginning of learning Polish, but with time you will remember it, because you will use this phrase more often, but you can also pronounce it out loud, because it gives good results.

Let me say "Practice makes perfect" and you will remember that saying as time goes on! - you will see. :)

Dobrze byłoby umieścić karteczkę z napisem "Do widzenia" na drzwiach wyjściowych i to jest dobry sposób na ćwiczenie i szybkie zapamiętanie!

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MoniqueMaRie
Germany

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dziękuję (dzięki)

I would certainly know this word if I had ever travelled in Poland.

"Thank you" is always the first expression I try to memorise when I go to a foreign country

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MoniqueMaRie
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przepraszam

It doesn't help me to learn this word when my husband says "Gesundheit! (Bless you!)" every time he hears it.

He should apologise for that.

I guess I'll have to write it down for later

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MoniqueMaRie
Germany

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Today I focus on the greetings in the course of the day

My day starts with "dzień dobry" as there is no good morning in Polish (like in French or Italian)

We start a day, then we see it is good and put a "dobry" behind it, it is still good, so it can stay in front of the evening: Dzień dobry , dobry wiecźor

The night is feminin and I would wish you a "dobra noc" but as I'm already getting tired, I'm slurring it to "dobranoc".

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Dana_Dany Danuta
Poland

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MoniqueMaRie wrote: Sun Jul 24, 2022 12:15 pm

Today I focus on the greetings in the course of the day

My day starts with "dzień dobry" as there is no good morning in Polish (like in French or Italian)

We start a day, then we see it is good and put a "dobry" behind it, it is still good, so it can stay in front of the evening: Dzień dobry , dobry wiecźor

The night is feminin and I would wish you a "dobra noc" but as I'm already getting tired, I'm slurring it to "dobranoc".

Hi,.... a small correction "dobry wiecźor" - it is bad, because here it should be: "dobry wieczór", czyli ó - otherwise ó closed. :)

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MoniqueMaRie
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After saying "dobry wieczór" to my guests I offered them what I can already say in polish without using a dictionary:

woda, wino, chleb, ryba i pomidory (I cheated with the plural but I didn't want to offer only one of them; so I found out that it is not pomodory...). The pomidory are obviously from italy :)

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Dana_Dany Danuta
Poland

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MoniqueMaRie wrote: Tue Jul 26, 2022 9:54 am

After saying "dobry wieczór" to my guests I offered them what I can already say in polish without using a dictionary:

woda, wino, chleb, ryba i pomidory (I cheated with the plural but I didn't want to offer only one of them; so I found out that it is not pomodory...). The pomidory are obviously from italy :)

Great, so learning doesn't "idzie w las" and you already know a lot!

.... and from mistakes, we learn the fastest! :)

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na zdrowie!

I surely should have known it.

Makes me want a glass of wine

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Olav
Norway

Re: an attempt to learn Polish with words I have an association with

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MoniqueMaRie wrote: Thu Jul 21, 2022 7:36 am

Are there any words or phrases that you find particularly easy to remember?

Kelner (waiter) and smak (taste) are identical with their Norwegian counterparts.

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Olav wrote: Sun Jul 31, 2022 11:51 am

Kelner (waiter) and smak (taste) are identical with their Norwegian counterparts.

Thank you for these two words. They are also similar in German: Kellner and Geschmack

"Geschmack" looks more complicated but "..schmack" and "smak" are much alike

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bar999
Poland

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MoniqueMaRie wrote: Thu Jul 21, 2022 7:36 am

Are there any words or phrases that you find particularly easy to remember?

Hello,
here are some words from me:
🇩🇪 Gurke - 🇵🇱 ogórek
🇩🇪 Mai - 🇵🇱 maj
🇩🇪 Auto - 🇵🇱 auto (samochód)
🇩🇪 Adresse - 🇵🇱 adres
🇩🇪 Zoo - 🇵🇱 zoo
🇩🇪 Urlaub - 🇵🇱 urlop
🇩🇪 Konzert - 🇵🇱 koncert
🇩🇪 Kino - 🇵🇱 kino
🇩🇪 Student - 🇵🇱 student
🇩🇪 grillen - 🇵🇱 grillować
🇩🇪 tanzen - 🇵🇱 tańczyć
🇩🇪 interessant - 🇵🇱 interesujący
🇩🇪 intelligent - 🇵🇱 inteligentny
🇩🇪 Schach - 🇵🇱 szachy
🇩🇪 Kartoffeln - 🇵🇱 kartofle (regional word)

🇬🇧 weekend - 🇵🇱 weekend
🇬🇧 business - 🇵🇱 biznes
🇬🇧 telephone - 🇵🇱 telefon

Most of these words are international words, they occur in many languages, others are loan words that Polish borrowed (Schach, Urlaub) or the other way round (Gurke - borrowed from Polish).

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David680268
Germany

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Here are some nice German loan words:

PL: morderstwo - GER: der Mord (ENG: murder)
PL: kelner - GER: der Kellner (ENG: waiter)
PL: handel - GER: der Handel (ENG: trade)

Polish loan words in the German language:

PL: pieniądze - GER: die Penunze, a word jokingly used for money. (ENG: money)

Words that are similar, but neither of German nor of Polish origin:
There are a lot of these words, mostly coming from Latin, French, English etc. Here is a word that comes from Latin but does not exist in French or English:

PL: grosz - GER: der Groschen

As far as I understand it, "grosz" means something like a "cent" in the Polish currency. In German, "der Groschen" means something like "coin", although the word is dated and mostly used in proverbial contexts. My late grandmother still used this word.

Here is a very nice sentence that I just found on the Polish course: :lol:

"Bez handlu nie ma pieniędzy."

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Dana_Dany Danuta
Poland

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Cześć, mam tu ciekawe słowa, czyli "Germanizmy" w języku polskim, które łatwo zapamiętać!

Budownictwo

  • blacha – das Blech
  • cegła – der Ziegel
  • dach – das Dach
  • farba – die Farbe
  • gwint – das Gewinde
  • hak – der Haken
  • kabel – das Kabel
  • kielnia – die Kelle
  • kit – der Kitt
  • komin – der Kamin
  • lochy – das Loch (dziura)
  • lufcik – die Luft (powietrze)
  • luka – die Lücke
  • sala – der Saal
  • smarować – schmieren
  • sznurek – die Schnur
  • szpachla – der Spachtel
  • szufla – die Schaufel
  • szyba – die Scheibe
  • rura – das Rohr
  • warsztat – die Werkstatt

Dom

  • komoda – die Kommode
  • regał – das Regal
  • sofa – das Sofa
  • szlafrok – der Schlafrock
  • szlafmyca – die Schlafmütze
  • szuflada – die Schublade

Gotowanie, kuchnia

  • bigos – der Beguss (zalewanie wodą)
  • breja – der Brei (papka, kleik)
  • brytfanna – die Bratpfanne (patelnia)
  • cukier – der Zucker
  • flaszka – die Flasche (butelka)
  • kajzerka – die Kaisersemmel (bułka „cesarska”)
  • kartofel – die Kartoffel
  • szynka – der Schinken

Miasto i prawa miejskie

  • arsenał – das Arsenal
  • burmistrz – der Bürgermeister
  • gmina – die Gemeinde
  • grunt – der Grund
  • handel – der Handel
  • jarmark – der Jahrmarkt
  • kasa – die Kasse
  • kiermasz – die Kir­mes
  • kino – das Kino
  • knajpa – die Kneipe
  • lada – der Laden (sklep)
  • plac – der Platz

Myślę, że dla osób mówiących po niemiecku, te słowa będą łatwe do skojarzenia i zapamietania! :)

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MoniqueMaRie
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David680268 wrote: Mon Aug 01, 2022 10:45 am

Polish loan words in the German language:

PL: pieniądze - GER: die Penunze, a word jokingly used for money. (ENG: money)

Words that are similar, but neither of German nor of Polish origin:
There are a lot of these words, mostly coming from Latin, French, English etc. Here is a word that comes from Latin but does not exist in French or English:

PL: grosz - GER: der Groschen

As far as I understand it, "grosz" means something like a "cent" in the Polish currency. In German, "der Groschen" means something like "coin", although the word is dated and mostly used in proverbial contexts. My late grandmother still used this word.

In Germany, the use of language varies in different regions.

That's probably why "penunze" is not part of my active vocabulary. I would have understood it in a context.

I just looked up which Latin word is the basis for "groschen" and found "denarius grossus". I knew "grossus" but had not previously associated it with money (the French word "gros" is the same). The denarius as a coin is known and "dēnārius grossus" is then simply the fat denarius.
That fits because the groschen was the fat pfennig (1 groschen = 10 pfennigs).

Sometimes today I use the term groschen for 10 cents and so do some of my friends.

Is 1 grosz = 10 cent?

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MoniqueMaRie
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Dana_Dany Danuta wrote: Mon Aug 01, 2022 12:25 pm
  • kajzerka – die Kaisersemmel (bułka „cesarska”)

"Kaisersemmel" is a word, fairly unknown to me.
That's why I looked to see where they say "Semmel" instead of "Brötchen", because that's probably where they also use "Kaisersemmel".
Semmel is actually only said in Bavaria and some parts of Thuringia and Saxony.

Sure I know what a "Semmel" is but I wouldn't call it like that. So: no help for "kajzerka" for me.

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MoniqueMaRie wrote: Mon Aug 01, 2022 1:39 pm
Dana_Dany Danuta wrote: Mon Aug 01, 2022 12:25 pm
  • kajzerka – die Kaisersemmel (bułka „cesarska”)

"Kaisersemmel" is a word, fairly unknown to me.
That's why I looked to see where they say "Semmel" instead of "Brötchen", because that's probably where they also use "Kaisersemmel".
Semmel is actually only said in Bavaria and some parts of Thuringia and Saxony.

Sure I know what a "Semmel" is but I wouldn't call it like that. So: no help for "kajzerka" for me.

Cześć, ja sprawdziłam to słowo ( Kajzerka ) na stronie "Wikipedii":

https://pl.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kajzerka

... i wynika z tego, że jednak jest taka nazwa w języku niemieckim.

Kajzerka (niem. Kaisersemmel, Kaiserbrötchen) – mała, okrągła bułka z charakterystycznymi pięcioma promienistymi bruzdami na wierzchu.

.... tu masz po niemiecku:

https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kaisersemmel

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Poland

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MoniqueMaRie wrote: Mon Aug 01, 2022 1:24 pm

Is 1 grosz = 10 cent?

No, 1 grosz is equivalent to 1 cent. There are a 100 groszy (groszes :lol:) in one złoty.

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Germany

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Stasia wrote: Mon Aug 01, 2022 3:00 pm
MoniqueMaRie wrote: Mon Aug 01, 2022 1:24 pm

Is 1 grosz = 10 cent?

No, 1 grosz is equivalent to 1 cent. There are a 100 groszy (groszes :lol:) in one złoty.

So I'd better not try to learn that "grosz" is "Groschen". That would be confusing to me.

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I like

szlafrok – der Schlafrock

szlafmyca – die Schlafmütze

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Germany

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MoniqueMaRie wrote: Mon Aug 01, 2022 3:23 pm

szlafmyca – die Schlafmütze

Haha, this one is great, although I could not find it in my dictionary. Maybe let me explain the meaning of "Schlafmütze" to our Polish friends (or anyone else here) who do not speak German.
It literally means a cap (= Mütze) that people used to put on before going to sleep (= Schlaf). I personally don't see the point in putting on a cap in bed, but whatever. In a figurative sense, a "Schlafmütze" refers to any person who is very slow or lazy.

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Germany

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A Schlafmütze was used mainly at times where the rooms weren't heated, especially at night. So I understand why they were used back in the days.

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Poland

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Hehe :) .... mogę jeszcze trochę dodać odnośnie tego męskiego nakrycia głowy, a więc:

Szlafmyca − dawne męskie nakrycie głowy zakładane do snu przez osoby sypiające w chłodnej porze roku w nieogrzewanych lub źle ogrzewanych pomieszczeniach. Kobiety do snu używały nocnych czepków. Szlafmyce miały spiczasty koniec opadający na bok, który ozdobiony był pomponem lub chwostem.
.... więcej można sobie doczytać tutaj:

https://pl.wikipedia.org/wiki/Szlafmyca

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IceVajal wrote: Mon Aug 01, 2022 8:05 pm

A Schlafmütze was used mainly at times where the rooms weren't heated, especially at night. So I understand why they were used back in the days.

In Sweden, when someone has said something stupid or weird, they may say that s\he has "pratat i nattmössan" which means "spoken in the Schlafmütze".

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Germany

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Dana_Dany Danuta wrote: Thu Jul 21, 2022 12:10 pm

I think you should learn the basic phrases first because it is important! :)

  • cześć
  • witaj
  • do widzenia
  • dzień dobry
  • dobry wieczór
  • dobranoc
  • dziękuję (dzięki)
  • proszę
  • przepraszam
  • na zdrowie
  • smacznego
  • jak się masz?
  • na razie
  • która godzina?
  • ile to kosztuje?
  • tak
  • nie

Of this list only the following four don't really stick in my head.

Do you have any ideas for mnemonics or do I have to learn them by heart?

  • jak się masz?
  • na razie
  • która godzina?
  • ile to kosztuje?

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