Difference between 그 and 저

[lama.03]

I learned in Duolingo that both mean “that”. So I’d like to ask about the difference like is there a specific rule for each or it doesn’t matter which one I use.

[MustafaOuz526752]

There is a difference in distance between them. 그 is, on the one hand, used to talk about things close to the listener. 저 is, on the other hand, used to talk about things far away from both the speaker and the listener.

[lama.03]

There is a difference in distance between them. 그 is, on the one hand, used to talk about things close to the listener. 저 is, on the other hand, used to talk about things far away from both the speaker and the listener.

Thank you so much